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concanJoined: 30 Nov 2004 Total posts: 8571 Gender: Unknown
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Posted: 02/ 06/ 08 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| littleharbour wrote: | | James Dobson: If these are the nominees in November, I simply will not cast a ballot for president for the first time in my life. |
I concur. My sentiments exactly. Rush Limbaugh for example does not have any love for McCain either. Rush won't carry the water for Rinos like McCain.
Perhaps a real conservative independent candidate will still emerge?
Or else with McCain on the ballot, the Dems might as well start hiring their interior designer for the redecoration of the WH.
| Quote: | | These decisions are my personal views and do not represent the organization with which I'm affiliated. They do reflect, however, my deeply held convictions about the institution of the family, about moral and spiritual beliefs, and about the welfare of our country." |
Yes, sir Dr. Dobson. Your personal views are widely respected and your expertise in this matter is highly valued by Christians throughout North America.
Most of us don't really have the understanding and insight to fully comprehend what is going on. We simply do not have the time and are putting our trust of these wordly matters into the hands of personalities such as Dr. Dobson. Endorsements or the lack thereof by men with integrity like Dr. Dobson are good enough for most of us.
Thank you Dr. Dobson for your candid views. |
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Yoda
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Posted: 02/ 06/ 08 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| littleharbour wrote: | | James Dobson: If these are the nominees in November, I simply will not cast a ballot for president for the first time in my life. |
Not worth the effort.
For conservatives, let the liberals take the blame for what's coming. _________________ "Those entrapped by the herd instinct are drowned in the deluges of history. But there are always the few who observe, reason, and take precautions, and thus escape the flood. For these few gold has been the asset of last resort" Anthony P. Sutton
Thinking like a peasant will always result in debt and slavery. |
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Faramir
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Posted: 02/ 06/ 08 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| concan wrote: | | littleharbour wrote: | | James Dobson: If these are the nominees in November, I simply will not cast a ballot for president for the first time in my life. |
I concur. My sentiments exactly. Rush Limbaugh for example does not have any love for McCain either. Rush won't carry the water for Rinos like McCain.
Perhaps a real conservative independent candidate will still emerge?
Or else with McCain on the ballot, the Dems might as well start hiring their interior designer for the redecoration of the WH.
| Quote: | | These decisions are my personal views and do not represent the organization with which I'm affiliated. They do reflect, however, my deeply held convictions about the institution of the family, about moral and spiritual beliefs, and about the welfare of our country." |
Yes, sir Dr. Dobson. Your personal views are widely respected and your expertise in this matter is highly valued by Christians throughout North America.
Most of us don't really have the understanding and insight to fully comprehend what is going on. We simply do not have the time and are putting our trust of these wordly matters into the hands of personalities such as Dr. Dobson. Endorsements or the lack thereof by men with integrity like Dr. Dobson are good enough for most of us.
Thank you Dr. Dobson for your candid views. |
No accident that poster boy for the neoconservatives, Bill Kristol, is shilling for McCain. And McCain got the endorsement of RINO Rudy. _________________ The opinions I have just expressed are my own. The owners of Free Dominion are not coercing any particular opinion from me. |
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Rohan01Joined: 14 May 2007 Total posts: 2709 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Age: 47 Gender: Male
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Posted: 02/ 06/ 08 1:34 am Post subject: Mike Huckabee's Super Tuesday Speech |
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I direct your attention to what is underlined and in bold print. Is this why Mike Huckabee has had tons of mud fired at him?
For those who accuse Mike Huckabee of being soft on illegal immigration, why would he make such a promise if he didn't have a plan to keep it?
Also try this on for size, one of the reasons why the United States is in the trouble its in is because people have selected this as their default position - what lies are you going to tell me today.
As long as people are tempted to run for the hills because of the invoking of the worst bogeyman right now - doesn't that show that Henry Ford was right when he said that what we learn from history is, we do not learn from history.
So, any of the rest of the stuff that has been cooked up looks a lot like the stuff that was tried earlier - but it wasn't stuff that wasn't tried by opponents before.
Why should McCain or Romney be the nominee. Do they have plans to get money flowing into the US? Do they have a better plan to accomplish than the man from Hope has in regards to what 8 years of Dubya wasn't able to accomplish.
An excerpt from former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee's speech on Super Tuesday, as transcribed by CQ Transcriptions.
You know, over the past few days a lot of people have been trying to say that this is a two-man race. Well, you know what? It is. And we're in it!
Tonight, we are making sure America understands that sometimes one small smooth stone is even more effective than a whole lot of armor.
And we've also seen that the widow's mite has more effectiveness than all the gold in the world.
Janet and I and our family and team want to begin by saying thanks, first of all, to the wonderful of people of Arkansas, where it all started and where tonight we have a wonderful, wonderful victory here at home.
We love this state, always have and always will. And tonight we're reminded again why — because of the incredible people who believed in us early and stayed with us through all of the times when so many people said you can't get there. And tonight we're proving that we're still on our feet, and much to the amazement of many, we're getting there, folks. We're getting there.
We have been standing for small business owners who know that government has for way too long had its foot on their neck, with taxes that were too high, regulations that were too onerous. The threat of litigation made it impossible for many small business owners to survive. And our party once stood to make sure that we helped clear the way so that the free market system really worked. And we're going do it again because one of these days when I get to be president — and it won't be very long, about a year from now ... I really do look forward to nailing the 'going out of business' sign on the front door of the IRS.
And when we have the fair tax, a lot of small business owners and individuals will finally have a fair shot of getting a part of the American dream.
We're here tonight and winning states across the South because we've stood for the idea that mothers and fathers raise better kids than governments do. And government ought to undergird a family, not undermine a basic family's rights to raise their own kids. And that's one of the reasons we're here tonight.
We're here tonight because people want to know that the president is going to secure our borders and make it so it's not more difficult to get on an airplane in your hometown than it is to cross the international border, and that we're going to fix an issue that the federal government has allowed to go unchallenged for a long, long time. We're here tonight because a lot of people in the South and across America know that the Second Amendment is to be respected as much as the First Amendment. And they know that there's only one candidate who has a consistent record of making sure we do that.
And one of the reasons that we're here tonight is because there's no candidate who has been more consistent and clear about the fact that we should honor the words of our forefathers who said all of us are created equal. And that means that every single person has intrinsic worth and value. And we should uphold the sanctity of human life because it is a cornerstone of our culture of life.
And ladies and gentlemen, tonight I believe that one of the things you're saying across the nation is that people are saying the conservatives do have a choice because the conservatives have a voice. And tonight, they're getting a chance to express that. And from here, they'll get to continue expressing that choice and that voice.
Now, it's tough for this old razorback to say things like roll, tide roll, but I'm doing it tonight.
And it's tough for this old razorback to look over there to the state just to the east of us and anticipate being able to say that we're two volunteers. I think before the night is over, I'll even be singing "Rocky Top."
This old razorback may even catch some bulldog fever before the night is over. And we're going to forget all about the Cotton Bowl and even be grateful for our friends to the north before tonight night is over, I'm fully believing.
But tonight is far more important than contests between the rivalry of some of our states in athletics, starting today with the wonderful people of West Virginia who gave us a surprising, stunning, and wonderful victory.
Today has been a day when the people have spoken. And today people across this country are saying that, yes, we heard what the pundits said. But this is our vote, not theirs. This is our election, not theirs. This is our presidency, not theirs.
And for all those people who have made sacrifices to help us be here, I want to say thank you. And I also want you to know that as long as there's still votes and delegates to be won until that magic number of 1,191, there's going be one guy answering the bell every time there's a new round. |
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concanJoined: 30 Nov 2004 Total posts: 8571 Gender: Unknown
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Posted: 02/ 06/ 08 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| Faramir wrote: | | No accident that poster boy for the neoconservatives, Bill Kristol, is shilling for McCain. And McCain got the endorsement of RINO Rudy. |
It's time for a third party. It looks as if McCain is getting the nomination with alot of handwringing and backroom dealing. Same old same old.
There's still enough time to eject true conservatives from the Republican party and start something fresh. Even if the next President Hillary Clinton has one term. If that what it takes to salvage conservatism in the long run, so be it. |
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Faramir
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Posted: 02/ 06/ 08 1:58 am Post subject: |
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| concan wrote: | | Faramir wrote: | | No accident that poster boy for the neoconservatives, Bill Kristol, is shilling for McCain. And McCain got the endorsement of RINO Rudy. |
It's time for a third party. It looks as if McCain is getting the nomination with alot of handwringing and backroom dealing. Same old same old.
There's still enough time to eject true conservatives from the Republican party and start something fresh. Even if the next President Hillary Clinton has one term. If that what it takes to salvage conservatism in the long run, so be it. |
Exactly how I feel about the CPC and Harper. I could care less if they lose the next election.... _________________ The opinions I have just expressed are my own. The owners of Free Dominion are not coercing any particular opinion from me. |
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concanJoined: 30 Nov 2004 Total posts: 8571 Gender: Unknown
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Posted: 02/ 06/ 08 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| Faramir wrote: | | concan wrote: | | Faramir wrote: | | No accident that poster boy for the neoconservatives, Bill Kristol, is shilling for McCain. And McCain got the endorsement of RINO Rudy. |
It's time for a third party. It looks as if McCain is getting the nomination with alot of handwringing and backroom dealing. Same old same old.
There's still enough time to eject true conservatives from the Republican party and start something fresh. Even if the next President Hillary Clinton has one term. If that what it takes to salvage conservatism in the long run, so be it. |
Exactly how I feel about the CPC and Harper. I could care less if they lose the next election.... |
Why? What did I miss? I haven't been paying attention. BC and Alberta are booming. People are busy making money.
FYI Romney carried "his homestate" Utah with 89% !!!!! Go figure. Told ya that Romney was going to move the POTUS to the temple... He's got enough cash to keep campaigning for the next forty elections if he could. Google "Mountain Meadows massacre" or "1857 Utah massacre" or rent the movie "September Dawn" and you will understand why Romney is never ever going to be President... http://1857massacre.com/ |
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Faramir
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Posted: 02/ 06/ 08 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| concan wrote: | | Faramir wrote: | | concan wrote: | | Faramir wrote: | | No accident that poster boy for the neoconservatives, Bill Kristol, is shilling for McCain. And McCain got the endorsement of RINO Rudy. |
It's time for a third party. It looks as if McCain is getting the nomination with alot of handwringing and backroom dealing. Same old same old.
There's still enough time to eject true conservatives from the Republican party and start something fresh. Even if the next President Hillary Clinton has one term. If that what it takes to salvage conservatism in the long run, so be it. |
Exactly how I feel about the CPC and Harper. I could care less if they lose the next election.... |
Why? What did I miss? I haven't been paying attention. BC and Alberta are booming. People are busy making money.
FYI Romney carried "his homestate" Utah with 89% !!!!! Go figure. Told ya that Romney was going to move the POTUS to the temple... He's got enough cash to keep campaigning for the next forty elections if he could. Google "Mountain Meadows massacre" or "1857 Utah massacre" or rent the movie "September Dawn" and you will understand why Romney is never ever going to be President... http://1857massacre.com/ |
Harper and the CPC are silent on the Human Rights Tribunals and their attacks against freedom of speech.
Seems the RINOS won their day...can't say talk radio didn't try... _________________ The opinions I have just expressed are my own. The owners of Free Dominion are not coercing any particular opinion from me. |
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concanJoined: 30 Nov 2004 Total posts: 8571 Gender: Unknown
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Posted: 02/ 06/ 08 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| Faramir wrote: | | Harper and the CPC are silent on the Human Rights Tribunals and their attacks against freedom of speech. |
Maybe they have bigger things on their minds like dealing with a neighbour and their enormous economy that is teetering at the brink of recession ?
| Quote: | | Seems the RINOS won their day...can't say talk radio didn't try... |
Let's keep track of the talk show host(s) that will flip flop when the obvious occurs. I wonder if Rush will even stay in broadcasting. Who is he going to support? If he starts ranting about the whole lot in DC, people won't listen or will they? |
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concanJoined: 30 Nov 2004 Total posts: 8571 Gender: Unknown
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Posted: 02/ 06/ 08 2:29 am Post subject: |
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Peter O'Donnell
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Posted: 02/ 06/ 08 3:00 am Post subject: |
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The solution to all of this, I think, is for the Republican Party to become the Conservative Party of America. They might want to keep the name but having a "liberal republican" wing has just created this chaos and left the door wide open for Hillary (or even worse, Obama) to enter the White House.
Those who think that Hillary will just hand the country back to the Republicans after four years of chaos are underestimating the media mind control that will surely accompany said four years and turn it into eight, then sixteen (Obama screwing up is a more plausible scenario).
McCain has the right to run for president with a party endorsement if he can get it, but there's still time for American conservatives to rally around their own candidate. They should hold a convention without primaries and go for it in May. Romney, Huckabee, Thompson, they could all run -- no big media advertising campaigns, just a convention with a united ticket to emerge from it.
The country needs this clear alternative and other experiments in blame shifting are dangerous with the world essentially at war. I even wonder if this election is a fundamentally good idea in the first place -- sometimes nations under attack need to postpone elections. But that will not happen unless there is major terrorist activity.
Once political correctness overcomes America, there is nowhere left to resist. |
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J.B. Stone
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Posted: 02/ 06/ 08 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Peter O'Donnell wrote: | The solution to all of this, I think, is for the Republican Party to become the Conservative Party of America. They might want to keep the name but having a "liberal republican" wing has just created this chaos and left the door wide open for Hillary (or even worse, Obama) to enter the White House.
Those who think that Hillary will just hand the country back to the Republicans after four years of chaos are underestimating the media mind control that will surely accompany said four years and turn it into eight, then sixteen (Obama screwing up is a more plausible scenario).
McCain has the right to run for president with a party endorsement if he can get it, but there's still time for American conservatives to rally around their own candidate. They should hold a convention without primaries and go for it in May. Romney, Huckabee, Thompson, they could all run -- no big media advertising campaigns, just a convention with a united ticket to emerge from it.
The country needs this clear alternative and other experiments in blame shifting are dangerous with the world essentially at war. I even wonder if this election is a fundamentally good idea in the first place -- sometimes nations under attack need to postpone elections. But that will not happen unless there is major terrorist activity.
Once political correctness overcomes America, there is nowhere left to resist. |
While you make some interesting points, starting a third party at this late date is unrealistic for this election cycle.
Both candidates and pundits were stunned at the outcome in several instances.
Missouri has been referred to as a "bellwether" state and the voting in the primary there has been in line with the presidential winner for the last 100 years....
That, and California, etc. makes it look like it will be McCain vs Clinton at this point.
I would prefer Romney vs Obama because I think Romney can slaughter the kid. I also prefer Romney's positions on immigration, the economy, and his more even-handed trreatment of issues in general.
That being said, if my gut tells me what's coming, it's going to be one of the UGLIEST election cycles EVER with McPain and Hitlery going at each other 24/7 with McPain winning a cliff hanger....don't forget that Obama may still turn out to be the VP candidate with Hitlery.
The wild card in all this is Huckleberry HOund and no telling WHAT he and McPain have gin rigged together in the back rooms and smoky alleyways of American "old style" Politics.
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Rohan01Joined: 14 May 2007 Total posts: 2709 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Age: 47 Gender: Male
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Posted: 02/ 06/ 08 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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J.B., if you think that by insulting Mike Huckabee that you are going to sway his supporters to support your candidate - I have some ocean front property in Saskatchewan for you to look at right now.
Believe it or not, but there are people who expect to see principle instead of expediency in the political arena.
Perhaps this is why the British fought so hard in the American Revolution - they had more confidence in those at the top than those who would be swayed by an angry windbag. |
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Faramir
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Posted: 02/ 06/ 08 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Concan, that sign says it ALL. My response to that electoral group - Let them eat tacos!
I think free speech, the foundation of Western Civilization, is far far more important. After all, there is little he can do about the economy.
Well, Ann for one, was employing hyperbole, so no, I don't think she means to support Hilary. It would be legitimate for all of them to change their minds once the realization of what Hilary means sets in. Still, I would prefer they hold out against McCain.
JB, I can't imagine this election cycle being any more brutal than the last 2. Yes, I don't like the sense I get that these 2 have worked out some deals to marginalize Romey.
Rohan, Huckabee insults us by pretending to be outside the old politics of backroom deals, only to be working on them with Paul and now McCain. Really quite pathetic. _________________ The opinions I have just expressed are my own. The owners of Free Dominion are not coercing any particular opinion from me. |
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Rohan01Joined: 14 May 2007 Total posts: 2709 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Age: 47 Gender: Male
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Posted: 02/ 06/ 08 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Faramir, one of the dangers of throwing mud is, some of it sticks.
When you have Romney's goon squad picking up where Lee Atwater left off when it comes to a scorched earth strategy - it is understandable that supporters of other candidates would coalesce behind one.
A little over a year ago, Jim Dinning did the same, and where is he today? |
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