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 Posted: 01/ 15/ 08 10:56 pm Post subject: Abortionist Morgentaler Patient: "I Told Him I Don't Wa |
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VANCOUVER, January 15, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - It's been more than thirty years, but social worker Vicky Green still vividly remembers her abortion experience with Dr. Henry Morgentaler, and she tells part of her story in the short film '1st Degree Morgentaler' by John S.C. Hetherington.
The powerful short film juxtaposes shots of Dr. Morgentaler explaining his rationale for supporting the "right to choose" abortion, against the testimonial of Mrs. Green.
"We came to a stop light and I wanted to get out and run," says Mrs. Green, recalling her former boyfriend driving her to Dr. Morgentaler's first clinic in the east end of Montreal. But soon she found herself face to face with the doctor himself, "I was surprised it was Dr. Morgentaler doing the abortion."
After a brief counseling session she told him, "I don't want to do this to my baby." According to Mrs. Green Dr. Morgentaler replied, "It's not a baby." She says she cried the whole way through the abortion procedure.
The ten minute film is being released as part of the online film contest Project Breakout. Interestingly the date of the announcement of the winners of Project Breakout happens to coincide with the 20th Anniversary of the January 28, 1988 Supreme Court ruling, known as the 'Morgentaler Decision,' which decriminalized abortion in Canada. Since that ruling, the fate of Canada's abortion law has been in the hands of Parliament, and, since it has failed to act, there has been no legal restriction on abortion for twenty years.
After making the contest finals and editing his material together, Mr. Hetherington said, "When I learned the Project Breakout winners were to be announced on January 28th, the 20th anniversary of 'The Morgentaler Decision'; I knew entering this film was meant to be."
'1st Degree Morgentaler' is one of 15 films in the finals of the Project Breakout contest. It can be viewed and voted on from Monday January 14th to Sunday January 27th. Fifteen votes are allowed per person each day, and the audience vote counts for twenty-five percent of the overall rating. "Your support would be much appreciated," said Hetherington.
Click this link to view and vote for '1st Degree Morgentaler' each day beginning January 14th.
http://shortfilm.projectbreakout.com/media_page/entry_id/219
There is a short registration process requiring name, postal code and email provides an activation code permitting voting.
Filmmaker's site with info. on how to obtain a DVD copy by donation.
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| T.G. Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Total posts: 3137 Location: Ontario Gender: Male
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| Posted: 01/ 15/ 08 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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There are a LOT more stories like this one, to be sure. Mark Crutcher in the U.S. compiled a whole book of horror stories in his book Lime 5. Unfortunately, in Canada, we don't have the same resources to uncover the sordid truths of the abortion industry, but organizations such as Silent to No More and the De Veber Bioethics Institute are compiling accounts for possible future publication.
If anyone knows women who have been damaged in some way by their abortion experiences, they should especially get in touch with de Veber Institute, which concentrates on scientifically verifiable data: http://deveber.org. |
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I would like to vote but I don't trust people who want my email address.
I've been burned too often by that scam.
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free_life2
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| Posted: 01/ 15/ 08 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Darski wrote: | I would like to vote but I don't trust people who want my email address.
I've been burned too often by that scam. |
Go setup another email at yahoo, gmail, hushmail....wherever. |
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| Electric Gulag Joined: 01 Dec 2006 Total posts: 861 Gender: Unknown
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Saw the video. True, she got railroaded by Morgentaler and by her boyfriend, but come on: if she didn't want it, why didn't she just leave the room?
It does go to show that there is societal pressure on young women to have abortions. It seems reasonable to assume that many women are pressured by their boyfriends (who doesn't want to be paying child support for the next 18 years), and by their parents (who don't want the embarassement of the family) to have an abortion. |
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| Hailey Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Total posts: 19549 Location: Edmonton Gender: Female
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| Posted: 01/ 16/ 08 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| I'm wondering why Joyce Arthur allowed herself to be interviewed. |
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Edward Kennedy
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| Posted: 01/ 16/ 08 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| Pro abortion people, including morgentaler are a bunch of damned lieberal liars. |
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| T.G. Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Total posts: 3137 Location: Ontario Gender: Male
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| Posted: 01/ 16/ 08 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| backwoods wrote: | | Pro abortion people, including morgentaler are a bunch of damned lieberal liars. |
There are many skeletons in his closet, to be sure. Perhaps someday some of them will come to light. |
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| SUZANNE Location: Ottawa Gender: Unknown
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| Electric Gulag wrote: | Saw the video. True, she got railroaded by Morgentaler and by her boyfriend, but come on: if she didn't want it, why didn't she just leave the room?
It does go to show that there is societal pressure on young women to have abortions. It seems reasonable to assume that many women are pressured by their boyfriends (who doesn't want to be paying child support for the next 18 years), and by their parents (who don't want the embarassement of the family) to have an abortion. |
The point is: why didn't Morgentaler stop in the face of such reluctance?
Why didn't pro-abortion counselling not detect her reluctance?
Morgentaler has done 100 000 abortions in his lifetime. You'd think we could find a couple of thousand dissatisfied customers. It's not an easy thing to admit publicly to an abortion or to the turmoil it can cause.
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| T.G. Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Total posts: 3137 Location: Ontario Gender: Male
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| SUZANNE wrote: | | Morgentaler has done 100 000 abortions in his lifetime. You'd think we could find a couple of thousand dissatisfied customers. It's not an easy thing to admit publicly to an abortion or to the turmoil it can cause. |
That's being worked on, slowly but surely. "Whatever has been hidden will come to light ..." |
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| Electric Gulag Joined: 01 Dec 2006 Total posts: 861 Gender: Unknown
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Suzanne, I lay some blame at Morgentaler's feet for not stopping the abortion, but let's remember, for him, performing an abortion is like removing a pair of tonsils. In his mind, there is no ethical dilemma. Does someone need counselling to remove a clump of tissue?
SHE was the one who knew what was at stake. I find it mind-boggling that she wouldn't just get up and leave instead of just sitting there and crying. To me it goes to show that she felt trapped- not by Morgentaler, more by her boyfriend and parents, probably. |
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| Electric Gulag wrote: | Suzanne, I lay some blame at Morgentaler's feet for not stopping the abortion, but let's remember, for him, performing an abortion is like removing a pair of tonsils. In his mind, there is no ethical dilemma. Does someone need counselling to remove a clump of tissue?
SHE was the one who knew what was at stake. I find it mind-boggling that she wouldn't just get up and leave instead of just sitting there and crying. To me it goes to show that she felt trapped- not by Morgentaler, more by her boyfriend and parents, probably. |
When she spoke the words "I don't want to do this to my baby" that was all she needed to say!
Everything after that is medical malpractice, kidnapping and assault.
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| SUZANNE Location: Ottawa Gender: Unknown
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| Quote: | | Suzanne, I lay some blame at Morgentaler's feet for not stopping the abortion, but let's remember, for him, performing an abortion is like removing a pair of tonsils. In his mind, there is no ethical dilemma. Does someone need counselling to remove a clump of tissue? |
You have no clue about pregnancy. It is not like removing tonsils. There is far more meaning to ending a pregnancy-- even to people who do not believe in any kind of status for the unborn child. Morgentaler would be aware that women have all kinds of feelings about their unborn children and that killing a fetus when the woman is crying and not wanting to do it would damage her psychological health.
| Quote: | | SHE was the one who knew what was at stake. |
Yes, she has some part of the blame. But pregnancy has a way of making you feel so vulnerable and isolated, you don't know what else to do. Which just goes to show what a false solution abortion is. A woman who feels supported is much less likely to go through an abortion.
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| T.G. Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Total posts: 3137 Location: Ontario Gender: Male
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| Fabulous Fred wrote: | When she spoke the words "I don't want to do this to my baby" that was all she needed to say!
Everything after that is medical malpractice, kidnapping and assault. |
Reminds me of the incident several years ago where a pro-abortionist pepper-sprayed a pro-life counsellor in the face while he was sitting with his client at a hospital waiting room, waiting to get her laminaria removed after changing her mind about undergoing an abortion.
Of course, the vicious attack merited just a discharge and the attacker left the courtroom smiling. Not before I hurled lots of verbal insults at the corrupt Crown prosecutor who then threatened to be have me charged with harassment.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/mar/03032802.html
PEPPER SPRAY ATTACKER WINS ABSOLUTE DISCHARGE
TORONTO, March 28, 2003 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a decision sure to infuriate the pro-life community, the woman convicted of pepper spraying and temporarily blinding, crisis pregnancy counsellor Robert Hinchey last summer walked out smiling after she was granted an absolute discharge in a Toronto courtroom this morning. Carol Ann Trueman had been convicted on a charge of assault last Monday.
Judge Cathy Mocha accepted defence submissions that Trueman did not realize the effects a pepper spray attack would have and was truly remorseful. Mocha, while noting abortion is "an emotional issue," added Trueman was acting out of fear, not aggression, and said there was no need for either specific or general deterrence. Under the circumstances, she said, an absolute discharge was appropriate.
Outside court, Hinchey said he was "disappointed" Trueman did not get at least a probationary term. Pro-life observers who have tracked the case from its beginning have pointed to bungled police work and a Crown attorney's office that did not at all appear to be intent on properly prosecuting the assailant. The charge had been reduced from assault with a weapon to simple assault in a plea bargain, setting the stage for today's development.
Toronto pro-lifers have encountered many previous experiences of Toronto Police and the Ontario government's Crown Attorney office quietly acting in favour of pro-abortion activists, regardless of clear evidence and circumstances in favour of pro-life individuals involved. |
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| Electric Gulag Joined: 01 Dec 2006 Total posts: 861 Gender: Unknown
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I was referring to Morgentaler's attitude towards abortion (re: tonsils) - not mine!
You may as well blame a tiger for eating a stake as to blame Morgentaler for performing an abortion. Morgentaler never forcibly confined her. This kind of last-minute reaction is probably very common in abortion seekers. That's why he shrugged it off and kept going. I just find it a little bit too convenient to lay the blame on Morgentaler. She should have been able to say "no". But obviously, she was paralysed by something. What was it? Fear of Morgentaler? No, I don't think that's what she's alluding to. I say that her boyfriend is far more to blame than Morgentaler. Had her boyfriend wanted to keep the child, you can bet that she would have found it very easy to change her mind in front of big, bad Morgentaler. |
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