Vote conservative, not Tory!

[CrunchyCon]

Keep in mind also that the FCP, like the Greens have been, can be successful without actually winning a seat. Harper and the federal CPC will be watching, since John Tory is the golden boy of Ontario Red Toryism.

The FCP taking a thousand votes or more in each riding, or at least in a number of close ridings, will send a strong message to the other parties that family-issue voters cannot be ignored as a voting block.

[Heartofsong83]

Keep in mind also that the FCP, like the Greens have been, can be successful without actually winning a seat. Harper and the federal CPC will be watching, since John Tory is the golden boy of Ontario Red Toryism.

The FCP taking a thousand votes or more in each riding, or at least in a number of close ridings, will send a strong message to the other parties that family-issue voters cannot be ignored as a voting block.

I think that this election will determine where the CPC goes in the next election. If the Ontario PC's lose badly (i.e. 2003 level or worse), it will force the CPC to move right as it is proof Red Toryism failed in Ontario (and if it doesn't fly in Ontario, it certainly won't work out west). If they win or make major gains, the CPC will move left as the strategists say that Red Toryism is the only way to win Ontario votes.

[Heartofsong83]

I live in Windsor so I have no choice .

I'm sure you can find good candidates to run even in union country...

[Felix Culpa]

I think that this election will determine where the CPC goes in the next election. If the Ontario PC's lose badly (i.e. 2003 level or worse), it will force the CPC to move right as it is proof Red Toryism failed in Ontario (and if it doesn't fly in Ontario, it certainly won't work out west). If they win or make major gains, the CPC will move left as the strategists say that Red Toryism is the only way to win Ontario votes.

I agree. You can't get any redder of a Tory than John Tory. This is a litmus test.

[Meistro]

What we really need is another NDP victory for Ontario to wake up and smell the fact that socialism fails every single time.

[Dacre]

We don't have all that long to wait although I'm sure it will seem like an eternity.

[Heartofsong83]

What we really need is another NDP victory for Ontario to wake up and smell the fact that socialism fails every single time.

Not likely to happen. I think a Liberal majority is most likely.

[hoarydragon]

I live in Windsor so I have no choice .

I'm sure you can find good candidates to run even in union country...

The joker that is being touted is a dyed in blue commie with a personality of a snake weasel. He is one sick puppy .I voiced my displeasure but was told to keep mum .Rubbish!

[HR-101]

<blockquote>Yeah, well, in B.C. I sort of wish we had another option like you have in Ontario.

But it would be to no avail, especially with the ndp vultures that have bankrupted our province every term they were in power circling around ready to swoop in.

Right now in B.C. Conservatives have no options! We have to vote for that half-breed-part-time-liebral/part-time-conservative Gordon Campbell.

And in my view not having another option may just might be a Blessing!

A cup half full as opposed to a cup empty!

And that's something to seriously consider when casting your vote in Ontario!

Inasmuch as - if you taunt the bull you're likely to feel its horns.

And Fabulous Fred confirms this...

"I will likely vote FCP in my riding but no matter who the candidate is they don't stand a snowballs chance. The NDP will out poll them."

i.e. - Your vote for the FCP just might just end up putting the ndp in power.

And the same applies to the federal level - not voting for the half-breed-part-time-liebral/part-time-conservative Stepen Harper will, without a doubt, give us a full-time-leftist/liebral government for infinity and Conservatives will never ever get another kick at the can! Never!

Anyways, I'm going to heed my own advice provincially and federally and stick with the cup half full and do what I can to fill it to the top, rather than chance a cup empty!

[Dacre]

HR-101 wrote

i.e. - Your vote for the FCP just might just end up putting the ndp in power.

That could very well be. But so what. If the Conservatives in Ontario refuse to see reality and insist on being Liberals why should conservative people be expected to vote for them If Tory is elected what have we as conservatives gained? Nothing. The left will then say "see they're all the same" and people will agree and be correct in doing so. This concept of supporting the party no matter what they stand for or don't just makes no sense to me any longer. I wan t a conservative government and if John Tory gets elected we still won't have one. So how would the conservative movement benefit exactly? It will just further tarnish the brand. If you ask me it's the party's fault not mine. I have recently got the "we can't afford another" McDirtbag government and conservatives won't come together to elect Tory and get them out. Some people are purists and won't comprimise and vote for what we've got. This thinking has to stop or we will never defeat the left. The OPC has made a stupid elitist mistake and needs to be punished. I'm expecting they will be. And when that happens true conservatives that never cast their vote for them should not feel guilty in the least.

[Jason Kauppinen]

And the same applies to the federal level - not voting for the half-breed-part-time-liebral/part-time-conservative Stepen Harper will, without a doubt, give us a full-time-leftist/liebral government for infinity and Conservatives will never ever get another kick at the can! Never!

Your comparison doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

For Harper to be anywhere close to where Tory is, Harper would have to have come out publicly against the Reform/CA movement and it's ideas such as balanced budgets, senate reform, etc. saying that they were totally the wrong course and that he would never implement them at all majority or no.

This is what John Tory has done with the Common Sense Revolution, he's disparaged it utterly and turned his back on it completely.

[Fabulous Fred]

<blockquote>Yeah, well, in B.C. I sort of wish we had another option like you have in Ontario.

But it would be to no avail, especially with the ndp vultures that have bankrupted our province every term they were in power circling around ready to swoop in.

Right now in B.C. Conservatives have no options! We have to vote for that half-breed-part-time-liebral/part-time-conservative Gordon Campbell.

And in my view not having another option may just might be a Blessing!

A cup half full as opposed to a cup empty!

And that's something to seriously consider when casting your vote in Ontario!

Inasmuch as - if you taunt the bull you're likely to feel its horns.

And Fabulous Fred confirms this...

"I will likely vote FCP in my riding but no matter who the candidate is they don't stand a snowballs chance. The NDP will out poll them."

i.e. - Your vote for the FCP just might just end up putting the ndp in power.

And the same applies to the federal level - not voting for the half-breed-part-time-liebral/part-time-conservative Stepen Harper will, without a doubt, give us a full-time-leftist/liebral government for infinity and Conservatives will never ever get another kick at the can! Never!

Anyways, I'm going to heed my own advice provincially and federally and stick with the cup half full and do what I can to fill it to the top, rather than chance a cup empty!

The NDP don't have a ghost of a chance in my riding HR101. It would take something EXTREME to convince me to vote anything other than my conscience ie: strategic voting. I never worry about picking a winner, I very seldom do and twice I have regretted it when I did. Trudeau in '74 and Mulroney in "84. Maybe I just won't vote in years that end in "4"!

[T.G.]

The joker that is being touted is a dyed in blue commie with a personality of a snake weasel. He is one sick puppy

Right on.

[HR-101]

<blockquote>First, I don't know why I wrote half-breed?

I meant Hybrid!

Next - I think you all misunderstood. I'm not suggesting you vote for a phoney conservative freakoid bastard like John Tory. His cup for you is totally empty.

If that picture of him with that disgusting thing puckering its lips at John Tory is not photo-shopped, well then, I'm with you there - John Tory for sure wouldn't ever get my vote.

What I'm saying is forget about the FCP who haven't a even a remote chance of forming a government in a million years - because by splitting the vote 3 ways you could end up with a bunch of ndp scum in your government, perhaps even holding the balance of power - or worse! Don't forget, in B.C. we elected an ndp government [twice]. Even after they bankrupted B.C. once we elected them to bankrupt us a second time. And the second time was for 10 years!! You also once had an ndp government so my advice is to be careful! They're a lot of really stupid people/idiots who vote ndp in both our provinces!

Anyways, I don't know very much about McGuinty but [correct me if I'm wrong] he seems the lessor of all the other evils. Maybe that cup is half full like that of our Gordon Campbell?

It seems like you all have a scheme going to vote for True Conservatives in selected ridings but I don't think that will resolve your problem as long as John Tory is their leader.

In ending - I truly sympathize with fellow Conservatives in Ontario.

You are definitely between a rock and a hard place!

[Edward Kennedy]

They're a lot of really stupid people/idiots who vote ndp in both our provinces!

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So said HR and she is right, there are also of idiots who vote lieberal.