CrunchyCon wrote:Keep in mind also that the FCP, like the Greens have been, can be successful without actually winning a seat. Harper and the federal CPC will be watching, since John Tory is the golden boy of Ontario Red Toryism.
The FCP taking a thousand votes or more in each riding, or at least in a number of close ridings, will send a strong message to the other parties that family-issue voters cannot be ignored as a voting block.
I agree. You can't get any redder of a Tory than John Tory. This is a litmus test.Heartofsong83 wrote:I think that this election will determine where the CPC goes in the next election. If the Ontario PC's lose badly (i.e. 2003 level or worse), it will force the CPC to move right as it is proof Red Toryism failed in Ontario (and if it doesn't fly in Ontario, it certainly won't work out west). If they win or make major gains, the CPC will move left as the strategists say that Red Toryism is the only way to win Ontario votes.
Heartofsong83 wrote:hoarydragon wrote:I live in Windsor so I have no choice .
I'm sure you can find good candidates to run even in union country...
That could very well be. But so what. If the Conservatives in Ontario refuse to see reality and insist on being Liberals why should conservative people be expected to vote for them If Tory is elected what have we as conservatives gained? Nothing. The left will then say "see they're all the same" and people will agree and be correct in doing so. This concept of supporting the party no matter what they stand for or don't just makes no sense to me any longer. I wan t a conservative government and if John Tory gets elected we still won't have one. So how would the conservative movement benefit exactly? It will just further tarnish the brand. If you ask me it's the party's fault not mine. I have recently got the "we can't afford another" McDirtbag government and conservatives won't come together to elect Tory and get them out. Some people are purists and won't comprimise and vote for what we've got. This thinking has to stop or we will never defeat the left. The OPC has made a stupid elitist mistake and needs to be punished. I'm expecting they will be. And when that happens true conservatives that never cast their vote for them should not feel guilty in the least.i.e. - Your vote for the FCP just might just end up putting the ndp in power.
HR-101 wrote:And the same applies to the federal level - not voting for the half-breed-part-time-liebral/part-time-conservative Stepen Harper will, without a doubt, give us a full-time-leftist/liebral government for infinity and Conservatives will never ever get another kick at the can! Never!
HR-101 wrote:<blockquote>Yeah, well, in B.C. I sort of wish we had another option like you have in Ontario.
But it would be to no avail, especially with the ndp vultures that have bankrupted our province every term they were in power circling around ready to swoop in.
Right now in B.C. Conservatives have no options! We have to vote for that half-breed-part-time-liebral/part-time-conservative Gordon Campbell.
And in my view not having another option may just might be a Blessing!
A cup half full as opposed to a cup empty!
And that's something to seriously consider when casting your vote in Ontario!
Inasmuch as - if you taunt the bull you're likely to feel its horns.
And Fabulous Fred confirms this...
"I will likely vote FCP in my riding but no matter who the candidate is they don't stand a snowballs chance. The NDP will out poll them."
i.e. - Your vote for the FCP just might just end up putting the ndp in power.
And the same applies to the federal level - not voting for the half-breed-part-time-liebral/part-time-conservative Stepen Harper will, without a doubt, give us a full-time-leftist/liebral government for infinity and Conservatives will never ever get another kick at the can! Never!
Anyways, I'm going to heed my own advice provincially and federally and stick with the cup half full and do what I can to fill it to the top, rather than chance a cup empty!
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