With 'universal' health care, we all wait - Tristan Emmanuel

[doggedlyright]

If they have not funded health care enough, then whre does Ontario get money for a Health Care Clinic where they will only service French speaking people. If your English, tough luck, no service,

See there is no universal health care service in Canada. If you think there is, then you are stuck in lala land.

[justanothervoice]

I think our health care system should be considered when officials are considering whether to take in new refugees to Canada.

1.Can we afford to suppot the refugees until they can learn the language, get a job and stand on their own?

2. Can our health care system take on more patients who will not be able to help pay for the system for at least a few years?

[muncher]

If they have not funded health care enough, then whre does Ontario get money for a Health Care Clinic where they will only service French speaking people. If your English, tough luck, no service,

See there is no universal health care service in Canada. If you think there is, then you are stuck in lala land.

Where did you get that? They only serve French people? Don't make statements that are completely false.

Give us the links.

I think our health care system should be considered when officials are considering whether to take in new refugees to Canada.

1.Can we afford to suppot the refugees until they can learn the language, get a job and stand on their own?

2. Can our health care system take on more patients who will not be able to help pay for the system for at least a few years?

No we cannot afford to support refugees. Not the province anyways. The provincial governments are stuck with the bill.........

[doggedlyright]

There was a long thread on that clinic not that long ago.

Plus, it was in all the papers and talked on all the radio talk shows, both liberal and liberal lite hosts.

Muncher, you must learn to not call people liars when you have no idea who you are talking to.

I believe the clinic was either in Cornwall or Kingston. FD does have a search engine and it is powered by google. Get typing.

[rsf]

Cornwall would make sense. That town is more than half French.

[doggedlyright]

No we cannot afford to support refugees. Not the province anyways. The provincial governments are stuck with the bill.........

tell that to Ontario. When the fedreal PCPC dediced to spend millions of taxpayer dollas to bring Lebanonese/Canadian dual citizens home, Ontario chose to wave the 3 month waiting period before a Canadian outside of Canada for over 184 days, can receive taxpayer paid medical services.

Everyone is forgetting that with liberals, progressives and liberal lite PCPC's like Harper, there is always enough money. Governments have no revenue problems, they have expenditure problems.

[rsf]

No we cannot afford to support refugees. Not the province anyways. The provincial governments are stuck with the bill.........

tell that to Ontario. When the fedreal PCPC dediced to spend millions of taxpayer dollas to bring Lebanonese/Canadian dual citizens home, Ontario chose to wave the 3 month waiting period before a Canadian outside of Canada for over 184 days, can receive taxpayer paid medical services.

Everyone is forgetting that with liberals, progressives and liberal lite PCPC's like Harper, there is always enough money. Governments have no revenue problems, they have expenditure problems.

I dont have a problem with them waving the 3 months in that situation. They were refugees from a raging war.

[Harry]

After having to wait 10 weeks to see a specialist and he would only discuss one thing although there were two things I wanted taken care of, I decided private care is for me.

Five years ago I had a hernia operation and was totally disgusted with the hospital. Found out later that the hospital had not properly sterilized their equipment for years.

I am in the process of getting my own insurance and setting up an account with a private clinic in Vancouver. Enough is enough.

[rsf]

After having to wait 10 weeks to see a specialist and he would only discuss one thing although there were two things I wanted taken care of, I decided private care is for me.

Five years ago I had a hernia operation and was totally disgusted with the hospital. Found out later that the hospital had not properly sterilized their equipment for years.

I am in the process of getting my own insurance and setting up an account with a private clinic in Vancouver. Enough is enough.

Why are you waiting, if you have the money drive 50 miles south tonight!

[Little Big Man]

Wait times are irrelevant.

This is a moral issue.

It is pure evil to prevent:

(a) a doctor from selling his medical expertise to a patient at a mutually agreeable price; or

(b) a patient from paying a medical expert for his/her services.

It's not just that the provincial monopolies are serving us poorly (and they ARE...I waited ONE YEAR for an MRI to find out whether I had a distended blood vessel - one feeding my brain - that was about to burst...fortunately, I didn't...it only takes a sneeze or a fall to burst such a vessel and cause massive brain damage...as happened to one of my friends).

Advocates for a government monopoly on health insurance are evil bastards and, if I lived in one of those towns in the USA that allowed tresspassers to be shot, I'd have my gun at the ready for the first commie bastard that stepped foot on my land with a "Ban Private Healthcare" leaflet in his hand.

They are killers...cannibals, who hope to survive by making others suffer and die. It happens in Canada - the supreme court of canada found that to be the case, and struck down Quebec's ban on private health insurance.

Oh, but that was just the Supreme Court of Canada. What do they know, right Kommrade?

[rsf]

Wait times are irrelevant.

This is a moral issue.

It is pure evil to prevent:

(a) a doctor from selling his medical expertise to a patient at a mutually agreeable price; or

(b) a patient from paying a medical expert for his/her services.

It's not just that the provincial monopolies are serving us poorly (and they ARE...I waited ONE YEAR for an MRI to find out whether I had a distended blood vessel - one feeding my brain - that was about to burst...fortunately, I didn't...it only takes a sneeze or a fall to burst such a vessel and cause massive brain damage...as happened to one of my friends).

Advocates for a government monopoly on health insurance are evil bastards and, if I lived in one of those towns in the USA that allowed tresspassers to be shot, I'd have my gun at the ready for the first commie bastard that stepped foot on my land with a "Ban Private Healthcare" leaflet in his hand.

They are killers...cannibals, who hope to survive by making others suffer and die. It happens in Canada - the supreme court of canada found that to be the case, and struck down Quebec's ban on private health insurance.

Oh, but that was just the Supreme Court of Canada. What do they know, right Kommrade?

How close are you to the border. You are welcome to go down there and get an MRI real quick. Jeez ... the Americans even advertise on my local tv to cross the border and get an MRI.

So why did you not cross the border and pay cash, nobody was going to stop you?

[doggedlyright]

RSF;

The government takes nearly 50 cents of evey dollar one makes. Health care costs are the biggest budget line item in every province.

Now you are suggesting that we take our money (if you can afford it) and go to the US and relieve the Canadian health care system of serving a Canadian that has already paid for the service. You are also suggesting that Canadians can spend their money with doctors in the US (many trained here in Canada) but not in Canada. What is so sacred of the 49th parellel?

We are to do this freely and not expect to receive re-imbursement from the taxpayer.

[rsf]

Yes I am suggesting it.

You complain that you have no choice and you cant buy your way to the front of the line ... when you can!
You have a choice, you can get immediate healthcare if you have the cash .. I thought that is what you wanted.

I know I would go over for an MRI if I thought it would be better.

[doggedlyright]

Why are you suggesting that a Canadian must go to the USA to spend his own money to get medical care when we have doctors in Canada?

Is it due to your and most Canadians belief that our Medical Care System is one of our values, no matter how poor it is and how many deaths it causes?

[rsf]

Why are you suggesting that a Canadian must go to the USA to spend his own money to get medical care when we have doctors in Canada?

Is it due to your and most Canadians belief that our Medical Care System is one of our values, no matter how poor it is and how many deaths it causes?

What deaths??? That is not true. If you are dying you get care.

I am saying that if you dont have the cash now to get to the front of line why do you expect to have the cash after we privatize the whole thing?