Internet hate speech section (13)...could face repeal

[Edward Kennedy]

The gang stalkers are no longer satisfied with trying to bankrupt us and destroy our reputations, they are salivating over the idea of us going to prison for running this website.

Absolute scum.

I have had several visits from enforcement agencies, interviews at other various loactions by same, and I have yet to be considered anything other than a man who is very passionate in his views. Exercise your freedom of expression, stand on your rights, and le the truth defend you. As to comments from loonies, and idiotic opinions, ignore them.

A bureancratic agency tried to put me on the defensive by accusing me of being violent and for their trouble, three of them from bottom to top rank were exposed for who and what they are. For their trouble I also started an investigation interviewing people on the inside of specific bureaucracies and was shocked at what I see as corruption and outright theft, deceptions and fraud. I have a list of names of incompetent individuals who are not at all qualified for the work they are paid to do. There are those on the inside who are not happy with the way things are, some prefer to reamin anonymous, others are not so shy.

Corruption, self interest and dishonesty has invaded every aspect of society.

Stand on the truth and it will protect you.

[Edward Kennedy]

Killing Section 13 would be a good start, the next move would best be a refund with interest and damages for the victims in all the cases this scumbag organization imposed injustice on innocent people.

Perhaps we need an investigation and charges against some of the employees for violation of Charter rights as well as the firing of all hrc employees.

[backhoe]

Killing Section 13 would be a good start, the next move would best be a refund with interest and damages for the victims in all the cases this scumbag organization imposed injustice on innocent people.

Perhaps we need an investigation and charges against some of the employees for violation of Charter rights as well as the firing of all hrc employees.

Yep, hit 'em where it hurts. Recompense for injustice.

[Ben Kenobi]

A bureancratic agency tried to put me on the defensive by accusing me of being violent and for their trouble, three of them from bottom to top rank were exposed for who and what they are. For their trouble I also started an investigation interviewing people on the inside of specific bureaucracies and was shocked at what I see as corruption and outright theft, deceptions and fraud. I have a list of names of incompetent individuals who are not at all qualified for the work they are paid to do. There are those on the inside who are not happy with the way things are, some prefer to reamin anonymous, others are not so shy.

I had my first taste of speech suppression way back in 2001. So I was not surprised to see the powers-that-be, clamp down on effective conservative speech. They only fear that which is both effective and conservative.

Keep fighting the good fight, Connie. We're all in the same boat here, wrt to the provision of freedom of speech.

[Edward Kennedy]

You will note that lieberal liars always try to discredit sources that finger them for their misdeeds by lying and defaming the source in an attempt to discredit their accusers and put them on the defensive. I will say that I have found truth emanating even from the lips of some of the most incorrigible people I know, but their backgrounds do not mean that their info is also tainted.

Lieberals fear the truth, take the resident lieberal for example. he admitted he uses rank pornography, I wonder what other filth he has that is hidden in his closet?

Lots I bet...yeah, even the most respectable lieberal/bureaucrathas soiled his/her diapers at some point...right gayla, trevor and rhonda? The trail is getting much hotter for me.

I expect to break over another hill at some point in time and see the target clearly defined, out in the open and with nothing to hide behind...the rest will be easy...the quarry does not always stay in the underbrush hidden, they have to come out at some point in time.

I am posted on a knoll, overlooking the valley and just waiting. I am a patient man and my rifle is loaded with the bullets of truth...the scope is dead on, and at some point, that which is wrong will be slain by the truth, exposure, and justice.

Now we all know the whiners will right away run to the police again saying these words, that they well know are figurative, are proof of potential violence. That is because it is their ONLY defence and hope to thwart the atttention from themselves. It did not work before, and it will not work again, especaially after the investigation that cleared me was attended/done voluntarily by me.

So what next, a smear campaign? Such things only strengthen my resolve and thwart my desire to see justice done. I talked to a guy with a degree in biology who worked as a mailman, why is not someone of that qualification at least a MOE field worker not to mention manager or director, over those employed there who refused to give their credentials, no doubt in my mind because they have/had none? Huh?

This is not an uncommon situation in provincial bureaucracies at all from what I see where I sit.

So why do we have more than a few overpaid and unqualified people leeching off our tax dollars? Could it be corruption,, a case of political affiliation and who you know rather than what you know?

[Faramir]

Seems that Harper just needed his majority to move on the HRC gestapo. Good on you Steven.

Let's see what happens before we pop the cork on the champagne.

Yup. But, if he does this, I will give credit where it is due.

For Nicholson of all people to put his back behind repealing Section 13? Wonder what's up? I mean this government sent their lawyers against Marc Lemire if I am not mistaken?

Did anyone see Ezra last night - he called out a few people we all know too well, so one wonders if anyone will threaten a lawsuit against Sun Media?

Ezra was too quick to call victory. This still has a long battle. Look at the long gun registry. This has been on the CPC radar far more than Section 13 and it is meeting lots of opposition and trouble. I can't imagine the forces that helped Trudeau build this abomination will lie low.

And something Nicholson said about adding to the criminal code - I hope he doesn't make "hate" easier to prosecute under the criminal code.

[Gerry T. Neal]

For Nicholson of all people to put his back behind repealing Section 13? Wonder what's up? I mean this government sent their lawyers against Marc Lemire if I am not mistaken?

Did anyone see Ezra last night - he called out a few people we all know too well, so one wonders if anyone will threaten a lawsuit against Sun Media?

Ezra was too quick to call victory. This still has a long battle. Look at the long gun registry. This has been on the CPC radar far more than Section 13 and it is meeting lots of opposition and trouble. I can't imagine the forces that helped Trudeau build this abomination will lie low.

And something Nicholson said about adding to the criminal code - I hope he doesn't make "hate" easier to prosecute under the criminal code.

That is a tough one to call. I suspect that by additions to the criminal code Nicholson is referring to adding grounds for prosecution, i.e., hate propaganda is now x and y, where previously it was just x. I would oppose this - I think the hate propaganda provision of the criminal code should be stricken from law as well as Section 13 - but such additions would not outweigh the abolition of Section 13. Remember that Section 13 was introduced in the first place because it is difficult to obtain a conviction for hate speech when you must meet the criminal justice system's standard of evidence. It is possible, of course, that Nicholson might have had in mind changes which would remove the obstacles to conviction from the criminal code, but that would be much harder to accomplish. All the same, we should be watching out in case he tries it.

[Faramir]

Indeed - we need to keep a close eye on him.

Incidentally, there is hardly a peep in the media. Nothing at all in the National Post.

[WestViking]

Indeed - we need to keep a close eye on him. Incidentally, there is hardly a peep in the media. Nothing at all in the National Post.

Bill C-304 will not be up for the final hour of debate and a vote at Second Reading until early February. If the vote is to pass C-304 at Second Reading, the Bill goes to a Standing Committee for review. When the Committee has called witnesses and gone through the Bill, it will make a recommendation to the Commons (Report Stage). Soon after the Committee report is filed, the Bill will come up for debate and a vote at Third Reading. If the Bill passes at Third Reading it will then go to the Senate for debates and votes there.

We need to remain watchful and look for any attempt to broaden the hate crimes provisions of the Criminal Code. At least future hate crimes will be dealt with by criminal courts. The crown has to prove its case, the accused is entitled to see the evidence against him, there is protection for an accused, and there are rules on admissibility of evidence.

[Maikeru]

It is possible, of course, that Nicholson might have had in mind changes which would remove the obstacles to conviction from the criminal code, but that would be much harder to accomplish. All the same, we should be watching out in case he tries it.

What is positive about the current effort to rescind Sec 13.1 is that 'hate-speech' lawfare has caught the public eye, and the means and methods formerly used, eg. accusations of 'anti-semitism', to keep the media silent to the abuses of hate-speech persecutions, have been publicly exposed.

[Ogopogo]

From BCL:

Saturday, March 31, 2012
What Will Replace Section 13 Of The Canadian Human Rights Act
Rob Nicholson responds to my email. Comments below:

Correspondence from the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada‏

Thank you for your correspondence concerning the Government’s proposed amendments to strengthen the hate crimes provisions of the Criminal Code. I regret the delay in responding.

As you are aware, on September 30, 2011, Conservative Member of Parliament Mr. Brian Storseth introduced Private Member’s Bill C-304, An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act (protecting freedom), into the House of Commons. The Bill proposes to repeal section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act, which empowers the Canadian Human Rights Commission to deal with complaints regarding the communication of hate messages by telephone or on the Internet.


Our government supports the repeal of section 13 as it has been found to be subjective and unnecessarily vague when it comes to informing Canadians about what can and cannot be said on the Internet. We firmly believe that the Criminal Code is the best vehicle for combating hate propaganda and we remain committed to the promotion and protection of free speech by all Canadians.

To that end, on February 14, 2012, the Government tabled in the House of Commons Bill C-30, the Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act. Among other things, the Bill proposes to expand the definition of “identifiable group” for the crimes of inciting hatred in a public place likely to lead to a breach of the peace and the wilful promotion of hatred, which are found in section 319 of the Criminal Code. The criteria of national origin, age, sex, and mental or physical disability would be added to the current definition of “identifiable group” for these two offences. In addition, the criterion of national origin would be added to the definition of “identifiable group” for the offence of advocating or promoting genocide, contained in subsection 318(1) of the Criminal Code.


Thank you again for writing.
Yours truly,
The Honourable Rob Nicholson

If this is all they plan to do, some obvious problems:

1) The requirement that the AG must approve hate speech charges would appear to remain, which in practice means that such charges will be almost impossible to lay. There were rumors going about that this requirement might be removed, but apparently no such luck.

2) Any expansion of the criterion can trigger a legal challenge to the criminal code provisions, which might mean section 319 falls and the country's winds up being without any hate speech legislation.

3) The bill containing these new provisions is the infamous C-30, which the government appears to have already given up on.

So, not a very impressive response.
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[Connie Fournier]

Conservatives were supposed to be so excited about the repeal of Section 13 that we wouldn't notice it was being replaced by something much, much worse.

[tinknee]

I unfortunately expect nothing less than a repeated knife in the back and the throat slit from ear to ear from these Conservatives in name only.
Nothing they do it seems is ever what it appears to be.
The great lengths they go to only to move the bar incrementally to the left boggles the mind.
Just who are these cpc decepticons? What evil directs them?

[Godwin]

Conservatives were supposed to be so excited about the repeal of Section 13 that we wouldn't notice it was being replaced by something much, much worse.

Crossborder MartialLaw

Gary North

Cross-Border Martial Law: Stage 1

by Gary North

Recently by Gary North: Earl Scruggs, R.I.P.



 


   
On Monday, April 2, the leaders of the United States, Mexico, and Canada will meet at what is billed as the North American Leaders Summit. Here is the agenda, as posted on the website of the White House.

On April 2, 2012, President Obama will host Prime Minister Stephen Harper of Canada and President Felipe Calderon of Mexico for the North American Leaders' Summit (NALS) in Washington, DC. This meeting will build on wide-ranging and ongoing cooperation among the United States, Canada, and Mexico with a particular focus on economic growth and competitiveness, citizen security, energy, and climate change. The leaders will also discuss North America's role in the Americas in anticipation of the Summit of the Americas in Cartagena, Colombia later in April, as well as other global economic, political, and security issues.
Note: This summit is preliminary to a hemispheric summit to be held later in April. Note these words: citizen security, energy, and climate change. Allow me to translate: police state, rationing, and regulation.

If you think I am exaggerating, consider the following.

TRILATERAL DEFENSE: STAGE 1

The Defense Department has posted a press release on steps leading up to this summit. A new system of multi-national defense has been created. It is called the North American Defence Ministry. Notice the way Defense is spelled: Oh, Canada! You can read the press release here.

According to the three Ministers of Defence, North America is facing threats so enormous that the three nations must work together to thwart them. But what nation is strong enough to offer such a threat? None is mentioned. Nevertheless, those threats are out there, the three ministers of defense assure us.

The first meeting of what they call "the trilateral collaboration" was held in Ottawa. Here is what they decided.

By virtue of our geography, our peoples, and our trading relationship, our three nations share many defense interests. Threats to North America and the hemisphere are increasingly complex and require non-traditional responses. Building upon the trilateral collaboration under the North American Leaders Summit process, we share a determination to enhance our common understanding of those threats and of the approaches needed to address them.
It would be helpful to know what these "increasingly complex" threats to North America are. It would be even more helpful to know which "non-traditional responses" are being contemplated.

Our countries are committed to working together to address challenges in the region. We know that transnational threats require transnational responses.
That word, "transnational," needs clarification. What are some of these transnational threats? What nation might be planning transnational threats against Canada and Mexico, as well as the United States? What nation has identified these three nations as enemies? I have heard of none.

Cont at http://lewrockwell.com/north/north1117.html