Anti-Racist Canada member joins FreeDominion - Breaking !!

[Connie Fournier]

Those idiots are so busy tying themselves in knots to spin this JDL fundraiser into a negative on us that it is becoming hilarious to watch. First the gangstalker-in-chief, nos, tries to paint the JDL as a violent, terrorist organization with questionable free speech credentials. Harry can't sit back and let that smear stand, so he gets in on the comments and rebuts it. But, he still wants to us to be smeared, so he comes back with, "I'm confounded that Weinstein would side with a nut like Fromm on any issue". Well, I'm pretty certain, Harry, that Fromm dislikes the JDL...so I guess your little gangstalker friends side with him on at least one issue, too.

These guys are getting more and more funny every day.

[WestViking]

These guys are getting more and more funny every day.

Forgive me Connie but they are as funny as a serious case of diarrhea on a trans-Pacific flight. They are stinky and debilitating, but there is nowhere to go to get away. The good news is that eventually they get flushed and I do not mean turn slightly red.

The envious jackals on the left have no credentials for building and openly detest successful people. Since they cannot compete in the real world, they fantasize about enhancing their stature by tearing down successful people or what they have built.

Since they have no idea how to solve real problems they create paper tigers to vanquish and pretend they are saving society by vanquishing the threats that they create.

They remind me of a fellow who went to Tilley’s and outfitted himself in an elegant set of khakis, went home and put on a pith helmet, picked up a double barreled H & H 12 gauge shotgun and set out for a stroll of the neighbourhood.

Very soon a police car pulled up alongside our intrepid friend and the officer riding shotgun asks: “What are you doing with the weapon”?

Answer: “Patrolling for elephants of course. Why else would I be armed”?

Policeman: “Stop right there. There isn’t an elephant within a hundred kilometres.”

Intrepid friend (still marching, and with a grin): “Bloody effective aren’t I”?

[wildernessvoice]

Racists are always pointing out race- Conservatives never mention race.

Exactly. And socialists are obsessed with money. Funny that.

I just can't help myself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTrhQd9GHlE

As a pup foster parent, I am outraged that dirtbag outfits like the HSUS is getting donations from people who think they are helping abandoned dogs. We work on a budget of about $0 and save hundreds of dogs every year. Good video for whoever produced it.

"The more I see of people the more I admire dogs".

[Edward Kennedy]

arc/ara anto baby bigots, cowards and hypocrites flatulate yet again

[Maikeru]

7 July, 2012
Answering Free Dominion: Part I
When we write an article in which Free Dominion is mentioned, it is often the case that they respond in some way.

FreeDominion is a lightly moderated discussion forum wherein members post/read/discuss various and diverse topics.

FreeDominion has been online for more than a decade, and during that time has been subject to a CHRC Complaint investigation, several lawsuits by Richard Warman - including one with co-complainant Warren Kinsella, and an incredible 'cyber-defamation' suit by serial cyber-defamer John Baglow aka Dr.Dawg/MsMew.

FreeDominion hosts and/or members have also been consistently maligned online by Michael J. Murphy aka 'BigCityLib Strikes Back, and by Harry Abrams aka Brian_Esker.

What all of the above named characters have in common is close association with 'Anti-Racist Canada', an blogsite claimed to be authored by a 'collective' using the 'anonymous' pseudonyms 'noonespecial200'/NOS200/Nosferatu200/NomdeGeurre200/Naberius200.

Usually with nasty names with what we could only assume to be spittle flying forth from their mouths in something approaching, though not quite reaching, apoplectic rage.

They don't seem to like us all that much.

Usually we ignore what they write about us, but after reading some of the responses to our article regarding the JDL fundraiser for Free Dominion on the thread, "Anti-Racist Canada member joins FreeDominion - Breaking !!" we felt that it might be useful to address some of what they have said about us. In fact the nature of the responses might necessitate a few different posts on our part.

'Anti-Racist Canada' has repeatedly mounted threads 'mentioning' FreeDominion since May, 2008.

The 'Anti-Racist Canada member joins FreeDominion - Breaking' thread was mounted herein on June 3, 2009, following the June 2, 2009 mounting of a thread at 'Anti-Racist Canada' containing a Richard Warman Affidavit revealing the identity of four FreeDominion 'John Does' named in a 'cyber-defamation' suit.

In choosing FreeDominion as a target, the purpose of 'Anti-Racist Canada' was revealed as a means to influence ongoing legal litigation launched by Richard Warman, Warren Kinsella, and John Baglow.

FreeDominion gained substantial public exposure as a result of the Fourniers of FreeDominion's successful self-represented defense against a 'copyright' suit launched by Richard Warman, so much so that the John Baglow 'defamation' suit against FreeDominion went viral as the perfect example of cyber-suicide by keyboard.

'Anti-Racist Canada' spokesperson 'Nosferatu200' recently came to attention in print media, being quoted in stories relating to a 'torchcouch parade' in Vancouver, and more recently in news headlines relating murder, dismemberment and cannibalism to 'white nationalism via 'Stormfront', a website which gained significant public exposure after Richard Warman was revealed to be a member thereof, during a CHRTribunal Section 13 Hearing.

This thread is intended to be a record of the activities of 'Anti-Racist Canada' pertaining to FreeDominion, to facilitate the eventual media and legal investigations into the purpose of that blogsite, and the people involved.

[Connie Fournier]

By the way, the only spittle that comes out of my mouth as a result of the idiocy at the ARC is mixed with the coffee that sprays out and hits my monitor from the force of uncontrolled laughter. What a bunch of self-important losers.

[Edward Kennedy]

By the way, the only spittle that comes out of my mouth as a result of the idiocy at the ARC is mixed with the coffee that sprays out and hits my monitor from the force of uncontrolled laughter. What a bunch of self-important losers.

Yeah but in the bathroom of life, someone has to be the toilet paper and ara/arc fit the bill perfectly.

[EdS]

These ARA fools remind me of a bunch of adolescent high-school ultra-earnest student government types. They are all excited and zealous about what is, essentially, irrelevant and insignificant. The problem is that these earnest adolescents are expressing a pathologically real and vicious bigotry against anyone they perceive as conservative.

[Maikeru]

From the 'comments' section of Anwering Free Dominion: Part I, mounted at 'Anti-Racist Canada'

Well here it is about 8:30 am on Sunday morning, and our "friends" at that other blog have already been hard at work. I think they read and consider ARC with greater regularity than most of the rest of us do!

A few more thoughts about Weinstein's JDL and this tragic/comic situation playing out at hand.

As a teenager in Montreal in the late 1960's, my B'nai Brith youth group received a friendly visit from a JDL recruiter/organizer. I don't remember the fellow's name or many particulars, but It was at a time when the FLQ separatist forces were staging violent protests, and blowing up things. People were getting hurt, even killed. Aspects of this nationalist movement were very antisemitic. It made sense to at least listen to what this fellow had to say. Because we all knew that if the police and other regular authorities couldn't control this phenomenon, then it could very well, as history had shown many times, be left to us to defend ourselves as well as we could.

The fellow brought along a few pieces of "street fighting gear." A motorcycle helmet with a darkened face shield, a police-style truncheon. Protective clothing. He seemed a little crazy. We didn't go for it.

Years later, and here in Victoria we made our own local arrangements for citizen night patrols (in touch with police) to protect the synagogue and our Jewish cemetery, after a series of threatening desecrations.

So I approach this issue with respect. To be fair, I think that Weinstein is supporting the Fourniers in this scrap because it's with Bagelow, and only incidental that Fromm has chimed in.

My own view is that this whole thing has been a comedy of compounded errors from day one. Freedom of speech?

No. Hardly the issue. There's a lot of drive-by bad-mouthing that comes off of that Freedo blog. Sometimes it can be directly answered, other times not. Sometimes if you ask Connie nicely enough, she'll fix the problem or at least put your rebuttal alongside whatever stupid remark was made. But sometimes they'll get on their hind feet and "make a stand." Or worse yet.. paint themselves into a very expensive corner. Whatever. I really don't think the Fourniers themselves are racist.

But accepting Christie's "free speech" award, knowing as they had to, that most of its earlier recipients were some very bad actors, was a mistake.
8 July, 2012 10:04 AM

[Edward Kennedy]

ara=always ridiculous aholes

arc=associated racist cowards

[Maikeru]

Well here it is about 8:30 am on Sunday morning, and our "friends" at that other blog have already been hard at work. I think they read and consider ARC with greater regularity than most of the rest of us do!

Harry posted several comments on an 'Anti-Racist Canada' thread titled 'Answering Free Dominion: Part I' - including the first, posted 7 hours after the thread was mounted online,
So it's fair to say Harry Abrams reads and considers ARC with even greater regularity than FreeDominion members numbering in the thousands.

To be fair, I think that Weinstein is supporting the Fourniers in this scrap because it's with Bagelow, and only incidental that Fromm has chimed in.

My own view is that this whole thing has been a comedy of compounded errors from day one. Freedom of speech?

No. Hardly the issue. There's a lot of drive-by bad-mouthing that comes off of that Freedo blog.

I note, and I'm sure others will agree, that there's less 'drive-by bad-mouthing' coming off FreeDominion since Harry Abrams' membership was rescinded.

Sometimes it can be directly answered, other times not.
Sometimes if you ask Connie nicely enough, she'll fix the problem or at least put your rebuttal alongside whatever stupid remark was made.
But sometimes they'll get on their hind feet and "make a stand."
Or worse yet.. paint themselves into a very expensive corner.

Connie and Mark Fournier host FreeDominion, a 'discussion board' for members who identify with 'Principled Conservatism'.

'Anti-Racist Canada' is a blogsite, authored anonymously, which was created to demonize Canadians involved in litigation with Richard Warman, Warren Kinsella, John Baglow - and Harry Abrams.
The intent is to diminish Respondent reputations in the public commons, and influence judicial considerations.
eg.:
More Topham Looniness
Topham No Longer the Bell of The Antisemite Ball

Whatever. I really don't think the Fourniers themselves are racist.
But accepting Christie's "free speech" award, knowing as they had to, that most of its earlier recipients were some very bad actors, was a mistake.

One of the baddest recipients was Journalist Doug Collins.
How bad was Doug Collins ?
So bad that the BCHRTribunal made Collins pay Harry Abrams $2000 for hurting his dignity and self-respect,
in the first successful use of now-discredited 'human rights' hate-speech Hearings in Canada.

[Maikeru]

Another scroll alert.
I've marked references to FreeDominion in red.
Count 'em...

19 July, 2012
Answering Free Dominion: Part II
The way you deal with Nazis is to, “break their heads.”

The JDL fundraiser for Free Dominion took place about a week ago and was attended a who's who of the Canadian right-wing blogosphere as well as some of the more active members of Free Dominion. Prior to this, Connie responded to our last article:

Well, we really don't have to paint the JDL as violent, Connie, since your own membership seem to agree:

Now, our Free Dominion friend here couches the violence of the JDL in more respectable terms; they represent the "warrior race" that is befitting of the Jewish people. Our Free Dominion friend also goes on to claim that the reason why we or anyone else would be concerned about the JDL is because we are closet anti-Semites who want Jews to be powerless in the face of those who would harm them.

It's a ridiculous accusation (especially directed at us) but this is sort of Free Dominion's schtick.

It might be instructive, however, to learn how the JDL earned the honor of being referred to as warriors since the Canadian branch of the JDL has engaged in the very activities that Free Dominion has accused (and condemned) us at ARC of engaging in.

But we begin at the beginning.

The JDL, as we noted in our earlier article, was formed in the late 1960s in response to the real dangers that American Jews were facing in their communities in the United States. The JDL's original rationale was to protect American Jews from the violence (including teaching self-defence skills) they had been subjected to for decades, a goal that we certainly agree with. However from our perspective as people who would use legal means to achieve our goals, the JDL eventually began to engage in violent and illegal activities themselves such as attacks (and voicing support for attacks) on Soviet government and cultural institutions, as well as Soviet citizens, in the United States....

Williamson Daily News - Jan 12, 1971
St. Joseph News-Press - May 11, 1976
Ottawa Citizen - Jan 14, 1980
Reading Eagle - Sep 4, 1981 (first part)
Reading Eagle - Sep 4, 1981 (second part)
The Montreal Gazette - Nov 3, 1984
The Telegraph-Herald - Jan 5, 1986
Record-Journal - Oct 21, 1986
The Milwaukee Journal - Oct 21, 1986
.... and Muslim organizations and individuals:

The Times-News - Jun 17, 1982
Anchorage Daily News - Oct 13, 1985
Lodi News-Sentinel - May 8, 1996 (first part)
Lodi News-Sentinel - May 8, 1996 (second part)
Lodi News-Sentinel - May 8, 1996 (third part)
Herald-Journal - Dec 14, 2001 (first part)
Herald-Journal - Dec 14, 2001 (second part)
Eugene Register-Guard - Feb 1, 2003

It is for these types of attacks that the American government listed the JDL as a terrorist organization. And later, after the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre, KACH was listed as a terrorist organization by the Americans, Israel, European countries, and Canada.

Not that these listings have influenced their supporters views of the JDL or KACH:

But we don't for a moment suspect that attacks on Soviet communists or Arabs/Muslims/PLO really matter all that much to our detractors onFree Dominion. These examples however are really only part of the reason why the JDL has earned the the reputation it has. For you see the JDL members have earned the title as "warriors" not just because of the alleged attacks and/or support for attacks on Soviet and Muslim/Arab targets, but also because they engaged in and encouraged a quite a bit of bonehead smashing in their day (particularly from the early 1970s to the mid 1980s):

The Milwaukee Journal - Jan 31, 1972
The Deseret News - Jan 31, 1972
The Milwaukee Sentinel - Mar 11, 1975 (first part)
The Milwaukee Sentinel - Mar 11, 1975 (second part)
The Telegraph - Apr 15, 1976
The Miami News - Jun 30, 1977
The Southeast Missourian - Nov 8, 1977
The Calgary Herald - Mar 17, 1978
Washington Afro-American - May 30, 1978
The Palm Beach Post - Aug 16, 1985
The Milwaukee Journal - Aug 25, 1985 (first part)
The Milwaukee Journal - Aug 25, 1985 (second part)
The Modesto Bee - Sep 7, 1985 (first part)
The Modesto Bee - Sep 7, 1985 (second part)
Times Daily - Jul 4, 1986 (first part)
Times Daily - Jul 4, 1986 (second part)
The Spokesman-Review - Feb 11, 1998 (first part)
The Spokesman-Review - Feb 11, 1998 (second part)
Let's take a look at some of the direct quotes from these articles:

The way you deal with Nazis is to, “break their heads.”

The Nazi who would, “put me [Kahane] in the gas chamber has no right to free speech… he has no right to live.”

“Nazis have no right to speak or march. If they use their freedoms to deprive other people of their rights, they themselves have no rights.” We actually agree with that statement.

“This [$500.00] is for any Jew or gentile who kills, maims or seriously injures any member of the Nazi party in defence of the Jewish or gentile community,” and “I promise the streets (of Skokie) will be red with Nazi blood. It will not be a peaceful counterprotest.”

Regarding a pipe bomb that took off the foot of an accused Nazi war criminal that also injured his wife and daughter, “The Jewish Defence League is certainly not responsible for the bombing, but we applaud the action.”

“[Kahane] told us, ‘if you see a Nazi don’t try to convince him you’re a nice guy.’ He told us to smash him.”

If you're a reader of this blog, you will know that we have no love for Nazis (original blend or "neo" decaf) or organized racism. However we have always been opposed to the violence that groups like the JDL have engaged in above and have instead chosen to use legal means to fight against racism. In our view, this kind of violence doesn't help the cause. For one thing, society often doesn't view those groups that engage in such violence as any better than those they oppose. From a moral point of view, we're not sure how one could live with one's self if innocent people were harmed.

NOTE: It dawned on us that here might be an appropriate place to list organizations that do use legal means in the fight against discrimination. It isn't an exhaustive list, but these certainly are respectable organizations that do some very good work and should be supported:

* The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs
* Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance
* League for Human Rights of B’nai Birth Canada
* Simon Wiesenthal Center
* National Anti-Racism Council of Canada
* African Canadian Legal Clinic
* Canadian Race Relations Foundation
* Northern Alberta Alliance on Race Relations
* Canadian Council of Muslim Women
* Canadian Rainbow Health Coalition
* Egale Canada
* PFLAG Canada

We're sure we missed a lot of good ones, so feel free to let us know what other ones should be added to this list.

But as Harry noted in the comments section of the previous article on this matter, thankfully the Canadian branch of the JDL has not engaged in this kind of violence. That being said, and as we have already mentioned, they have engaged in a lower level of violence, the kind which ARC is routinely accused of engaging in by our friends at Free Dominion

The Fourniers, Kennedy, and others on Free Dominion have accused us of engaging in political violence. At one point Mark claimed that we had been involved in all of the political violence of the past two decades, no mean feat considering most of our membership would have been in junior high at the time we're supposed to have been active. In reality, none of their claims about us is true, however they continue to erroneously promote the idea that we are violent and that the ARA and ARC are the same organization.

But even if we were to look at the violence the ARA is accused of engaging in,Free Dominion really only discuss four incidents (which they attribute to both the ARA and to ARC):

1. The trashing of Heritage Front voice Garry Schipper's home.
2. The stabbing of an anti-racist during an encounter with boneheads.
3. The firebombing of Ernst Zundel's home.
4. The ARA protest outside Paul Fromm's residence.

Regarding the attack on Schipper's residence, Free Dominion does have a legitimate point here, though we aren't sure that any of those arrested were members of the ARA. Such action isn't something that we support though.

On the second incident, what appears to have been a fight between anti-racist and boneheads is being used to justify the attempted murder of one of those anti-racists (that being said, that kind of direct engagement with boneheads isn't something we support or engage in ourselves).

On the third point, this is a claim that has no evidence to support the accusation in the first place.

Finally, the protest near Paulie's home was not violent. No one was assaulted. No threats were made. And from what we understand the protest occurred on public property well away from Paulie's home with police standing between the boneheads who were visiting Paulie (some of whom had criminal records for violence themselves) and the ARA members.

So this, ladies and gentlemen, constitutes the ultraviolent terrorism of Anti-Racist Canada, essentially four incidents that we were not a part of at all.

But if Free Dominion members are to be consistent in their condemnation of such behavior, the might look at similar incidents and threats made by their friend Meir in the past:

Ottawa Citizen - Aug 23, 1986
Calgary (Sunday) Herald - Sep 22, 1986 (first part)
Calgary (Sunday) Herald - Sep 22, 1986 (second part)
Calgary (Sunday) Herald - Sep 22, 1986 (third part)
Ocala Star-Banner - Sep 24, 1986
The Spokesman-Review - Sep 24, 1986
The Leader-Post - Sep 24, 1986

Imagine if it had been a member of ARC who threatened to level the Aryan Nations' camp or took a swing at Terry Long. What do you think the reaction of Free Dominion might be?

You don't have to imagine actually.

How about paying a visit to Jim Keegstra and suggesting that the use of violence, if provoked, wouldn't be ruled out?

The Phoenix - Jul 25, 1985
How would Free Dominion respond if we suggested what Meir suggested?

If we were to suggest that those convicted of hate crimes should be subject to a prison term we would be accused of being, "anti-freedom" scum.

But when the JDL suggests the same remedy....

The Sun - Jul 25, 1985

.... a Free Dominion member will write: These strange bedfellows you speak of share a belief in freedom, something you clearly don't value.

Connie and Mark didn't like the protest that occurred near Paulie`s home? Well then, they will likely be outraged about this happening:

Or perhaps not.

And let's not leave out Ernst Zundel:

The Montreal Gazette - Dec 29, 1983 (first part)
The Montreal Gazette - Dec 29, 1983 (second part)
The Montreal Gazette - Jan 9, 1985
The Phoenix - Jun 6, 1985
The Sun - Jun 6, 1985
The Montreal Gazette - Jun 14, 1985
Ottawa Citizen - Jun 21, 1985
Just to add a little bit of irony to the mix....

Actually, that last post by Mark is even more ironic when you consider this article:

The Jewish Post & News - May 31, 1995 (first part)
The Jewish Post & News - May 31, 1995 (second part)
Meir and Irv hanging out with two members of the ARA at the remains of the Zundel bunker.

Yeah, we think that constitutes irony.

So yes, the Canadian branch of the JDL aren't as anywhere near as bad as the American branch when it comes to engaging in and promoting violence in the past, but they still don't come out smelling like roses.

Look, if Free Dominion wants to celebrate the JDL support for the website and the Fourniers in their legal struggles, that fine, but it sort of an insult to one's intelligence to suggest that the JDL are champions of free speech while at the same time condemning ARC for the very behavior that their friends in the Canadian branch of the JDL have actually engaged in and promoted in the not so distant past.

Let's not pretend this has anything to do with freedom of speech.
Posted by Nosferatu200 at 7:38 PM
Labels: ARA, Connie Fournier, Free Dominion, JDL, Keegstra, Kennedy, Long, Mark Fournier, Meir Weinstein, Paul Fromm, Zundel

[Maikeru]

Excerpt:
NOTE: It dawned on us that here might be an appropriate place to list organizations that do use legal means in the fight against discrimination. It isn't an exhaustive list, but these certainly are respectable organizations that do some very good work and should be supported:
* The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs
* Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance
* League for Human Rights of B’nai Birth Canada
* Simon Wiesenthal Center
* National Anti-Racism Council of Canada
* African Canadian Legal Clinic
* Canadian Race Relations Foundation
* Northern Alberta Alliance on Race Relations
* Canadian Council of Muslim Women
* Canadian Rainbow Health Coalition
* Egale Canada
* PFLAG Canada
We're sure we missed a lot of good ones, so feel free to let us know what other ones should be added to this list.

Labels:
* BIGCITYLIB STRIKES BACK
* Dawg's Blawg
* Occupy Together
* Antifa
* One Peoples Project
* Quebec Fascist-Watch (for the English impaired)
* Richard Warman
* Warren Kinsella
* The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs
* Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance
* League for Human Rights of B’nai Birth Canada
* Simon Wiesenthal Center
* National Anti-Racism Council of Canada
* African Canadian Legal Clinic
* Canadian Race Relations Foundation
* Northern Alberta Alliance on Race Relations
* Canadian Council of Muslim Women
* Canadian Rainbow Health Coalition
* Egale Canada
* PFLAG Canada

[Peter O'Donnell]

Hey kids, thanks for stopping by Auntie Racist's Blog, now it's time to play that fun game we call Buzz Off where I say a word and you buzz if you don't like it.

Let's get started with our first word. Jew.

(one brief buzz)

Uh-oh, that was racist. Now let's try this. Jewish defence.

BUZZ

BUZZ-Z-Z-Z

Fine, ten points there. Now how about this one. Terrorist.

(no sound at all)

Arab terrorist

(no sound at all)

Good, you're getting so much better at this. How about Jewish terrorist blew up hotel in 1948.

BUZZ BUZZ BUZZZZZ-ZZZ-ZZZ

Excellent, you've reacted to the one bad kind of terrorist.

Now, let's move into the bonus round. David Galloway.

(violent tremors, hands not co-ordinated with brains, almost buzzing, look out, one of our panelists buzzed.)

Okay, that was cruel, let's get a much easier question. Toronto mayor Rob Ford.

BUZZ BUZZZZZ
BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ


And for a hundred extra points, what race did Rob Ford hate the most?

Anyone? It's a tough question, the answer was, the arms race.

[EdS]

Ugh. I am so sick of this adolescent crap.

By now, it's obvious to me that ARC is nothing but an outlet for the ultra-left to spew their venom against what they perceive as their enemies (enemies of an anti-racist society, or some post-revolutionary society that they strive for). It seem to attract all the so-called progressive gadflies like Harry Abrams and others who consider themselves "progressives", an enlightened cadre, or socially avant-garde. All this leftist puffery and self-flattery has gone to their heads. Personally, I would ignore them and their self-indulgent website. They represent no one but the extreme left.

As for Harry Abrams, as I told him on this website a few years ago, he is nothing but a lost soul, whose politics are arrested in the '70's. He is so enamored of the idea of being "progressive" and a leftist because it's self-flattering. (There are other issues going on their as well, having to do with Jewish identity and Jewish liberal culture which I won't get into here and maybe leave for another thread.). I see and meet these Harry types all the time; they are all the same.

Ignore these people.