Anti-Racist Canada member joins FreeDominion - Breaking !!

[Julian]

Lots of people are interested in having input on how defamation law should be applied to the internet. Mark and I have been supported by people of all political stripes because they care about this issue.

That is because even if some of these people do not agree with you, they know you are honest, fair, not hateful and tolerant to a fault. If you make a promise you keep it. You are trustworthy as an ally even if the arrangement is temporary or about a single issue. Being honest pays dividends and some of those offering support with whom I do not agree would get my support if need be because they too are cut from the same cloth.

[Connie Fournier]

Intimidating our witness, interfering with our legal counsel, attempting to inhibit our ability to raise money for court-ordered costs...

Man! If I was a lawyer, I would want to be REALLY certain that my name couldn't be pulled into all of this mess.

[Connie Fournier]

Lots of people are interested in having input on how defamation law should be applied to the internet. Mark and I have been supported by people of all political stripes because they care about this issue.

That is because even if some of these people do not agree with you, they know you are honest, fair, not hateful and tolerant to a fault. If you make a promise you keep it. You are trustworthy as an ally even if the arrangement is temporary or about a single issue. Being honest pays dividends and some of those offering support with whom I do not agree would get my support if need be because they too are cut from the same cloth.

Thanks for that, Julian.

[fourhorses]

Intimidating our witness, interfering with our legal counsel, attempting to inhibit our ability to raise money for court-ordered costs...

what ?

[Mark Fournier]

I believe freedom of speech should extend even to the censors who would take that freedom from us all.

[Connie Fournier]

Intimidating our witness, interfering with our legal counsel, attempting to inhibit our ability to raise money for court-ordered costs...

what ?

That is what the ARA/ARC are doing in that article. By attacking our lawyer, our witness, and the fundraisers that are helping us pull together court-ordered costs, they are attempting to interfere with the adminstration of justice.

That's a crime.

[fourhorses]

I believe freedom of speech should extend even to the censors who would take that freedom from us all.

yes
certainly like to hear them speak

record it
play it aloud

repeat as required

[shiva]

I believe freedom of speech should extend even to the censors who would take that freedom from us all.

Mostly I agree with you but I have a line that I do not think should be crossed. Those who would use the freedoms we have here to take away others freedoms should not be given the same consideration or treatment and they won't get it from me.

Since many of those on the left would happily harness and use the power of the state to selectively take away the freedoms of those who disagree with them, they are dangerous and we ignore this at our peril.

[fourhorses]

I believe freedom of speech should extend even to the censors who would take that freedom from us all.

Mostly I agree with you but I have a line that I do not think should be crossed. Those who would use the freedoms we have here to take away others freedoms should not be given the same consideration or treatment and they won't get it from me.

Since many of those on the left would happily harness and use the power of the state to selectively take away the freedoms of those who disagree with them, they are dangerous and we ignore this at our peril.

we should allow them to speak freely, write freely and post freely - and only by doing so do we shed daylight on their views and activities, so the public and their peers can hold them up and scrutinize

if they win, they should do so by the strength of their arguments and if we lose we should do so by the weakness of ours

[wildernessvoice]

The ARA/ARC crowd are not interested in principles, fourhorses. They are interested in one thing....creating a big sh_tstorm that will destroy our ability to raise money and ruin us financially.

Lots of people are interested in having input on how defamation law should be applied to the internet. Mark and I have been supported by people of all political stripes because they care about this issue.

If we let anonymous (or, actually, not-so-anonymous) blowhards on the other side destroy all of the bridge-building we have been doing, we might as well just give up and let the powers-that-be take the internet from us.

If we take any of their crap seriously, they win.

When events take a turn to somebody's disliking they always trot out the same old tired horse- divide and conquer. You sow the seeds of discontent to destroy a united opposition.
This ploy is as old as the history of mankind. It was probably worded best by Jay Gould in the 1890's "I can hire half the rabble to kill the other half any day of the week".

This situation is a bit different. The government, through their courts have put in place a muzzle sized to fit all- the accusation of HATE and the resulting financial storm. They pull out this bogeyman and have their flunkies start making accusations. It is a weapon aimed at everybody.

In this case? The target is the JDL.

The Jew haters like the perceived image of docile Jews quietly climbing into cattle cars. They feed on images of Jewish parents literally climbing into trees to recover the body parts of their children that have been blown to smithereens. Along comes the JDL and their image is that of the warrior race. The JDL's image of the Jews is the correct one- an eye for an eye,;a tooth for a tooth.
The problem is there are Jew haters that are driven to madness as they watch people around the world having to acknowledge the fighting side of the Jew. These guys have never got over 26 May 1948 and they have forgot the Haganah, the Palmach and the Irgun and they want us to forget as well.

So relax everybody. Recognize these anti-racist turds for what they are- the exact opposite of what their name implies.

May the fleas from a thousand camels infest the armpits of these scuzzy bassturds!

[shiva]

I believe freedom of speech should extend even to the censors who would take that freedom from us all.

Mostly I agree with you but I have a line that I do not think should be crossed. Those who would use the freedoms we have here to take away others freedoms should not be given the same consideration or treatment and they won't get it from me.

Since many of those on the left would happily harness and use the power of the state to selectively take away the freedoms of those who disagree with them, they are dangerous and we ignore this at our peril.

we should allow them to speak freely, write freely and post freely - and only by doing so do we shed daylight on their views and activities, so the public and their peers can hold them up and scrutinize

if they win, they should do so by the strength of their arguments and if we lose we should do so by the weakness of ours

If they win on the strength of their arguments, then yes, of course. But if they have the FORCE of the state on their side, then that's not an argument or a debate. That's tyranny.

There are two stages here to be concerned with when it comes to radical Islam that take this debate out of the realm of simply being a gentlemanly sport where we must strictly adhere to the principles of a liberal democracy - one is that the state is not treating everyone equally due to political correctness. The idea that we must address historical wrongs and atone for the "colonialist" sins of our forefathers in our policy making and in how we treat individuals has infected our institutions and this is WRONG. "All pigs are equal", period, full stop. There is not, "some pigs are more equal than others after that. The second thing is that many of the radical islamists themselves have told us that they will eventually also be able to win the numbers game in the democratic process that we put so much faith in. Are you willing to say that if Sharia Law is imposed on us through a "fair and democratic" voting process that we should accept it? If so, that's where you and I part company. I don't feel obliged to give such anti-liberal practices any quarter in our country.

[shiva]

Recognize these anti-racist turds for what they are- the exact opposite of what their name implies.

Couldn't agree more Wildernessvoice!

[Maikeru]

Newcomers to this extended thread may wish to go back a dozen or so pages to gain insight into the spirit and intent of the 'Anti-Racist Canada' blogsite, evidenced again in the July 4, 2012 thread titled Free Dominion and Strange Bedfellows. Again.....

Antifa is...automated...powered by news feeds of...anarchist websites

'Anti-Racist Canada' was created to damage targeted reputations, and so influence ongoing legal litigation, by moving public opinion via the internet commons, with forethought and malice intent.
A recent example:

So let me get this straight, Meir Flintstone [we love that name!] is raising money for the Fourniers who:
a) have as their lawyer Barbara Kulaszka who not only acted as Ernst Zundel's lawyer but also edited this charming book published by Zundel's Samisdat Publishers as well as representing Marc Lemire, Imre Finta and Arthur Rudolph

b) consider Marc Lemire and Paul Fromm to be their friends and Lemire as one of their key witnesses

c) knowingly accepted an award from Doug Christie, who has made a career of representing neo-nazis and war criminals and is known to have far right views himself

Associating those names, in that manner, on a site purportedly opposing those who are involved in these movements that are a threat to the Canadian way of life." is meant to tar Officers of the Court Barbara Kulazska and Douglas Christie, Community Leader Meir Weinstein, the Fourniers of FreeDominion, Marc Lemire, Ernst Zundel, Imre Finta, and Arthur Rudolph with the same brush of public opprobrium.

So are Marc, Paul and Barbara invited to the fundraiser or would the JDL beat them to a pulp if they showed up (decisions, decisions)?

The only certainty is that if Marc, Paul or Barbara attend a public function, 'Anti-Racist Canada' would note that whoever shakes their hand is yet another 'strange bedfellow'

And talking about strange bedfellows, one of the strangest fellows in Canada is 'Anti-Racist Canada' grandee John Baglow, one of the men who've launched 'cyber-defamation' suits against FreeDominion.
When saved from his own foolishness, John found everlasting notoriety as a cyber-putz, regardless of Court outcome.

John's been chasing cyber-narzis for most of his post-senile years:

From ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Sun Jun 9 13:21:53 PDT 1996
... ...
Subject: Re: 960607: Why we're like measles; June Power Letter; Send Money!
Date: 9 Jun 1996 01:04:06 GMT
Organization: The National Capital FreeNet
Sender: ai433@freenet3.carleton.ca (John Baglow)
Message-ID: <4pd7u6$j4h@freenet-news.carleton.ca>
References: <1996006070826.AAB8294@infinity.c2.org>
Reply-To: ai433@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (John Baglow)

[Zundel krap deleted--the usual nazi self-serving bilge]

Herr Zundel, who claims he is not afraid of debate, still refuses to
venture into the newsgroups. Now he has a shill--my guess is that it's Frau
Ingrid Beisner, of Kemptville, Ontario, one of "the crowd" in the National
Capital area, helping to arrange for visits by Mr.David Irving, whining
about "freedom of expression" and so on. Herr Zundel himself, of course,
continues to hide like a rat in his rebuilt fortified bunker.

The sooner he is deported, the better. Freedom of speech? Let him fight for it
in Germany, not here.

Like measles? More like cancer.
... ...
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John Baglow "All change means disorganization of the old and
organization of the new."
--Saul Alinsky, "Rules for Radicals", 1970

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[Edward Kennedy]

I have never seen such a bunch of racist "anti racist" hypcorites like ara/arc . Speaking of hiding like rats, their modus operandi seems to be in line with same.

Bleating about racists while being same themselves is the way of the convoluted diverticulated intestine carrying waste but running into itself.

[fourhorses]

If they win on the strength of their arguments, then yes, of course. But if they have the FORCE of the state on their side, then that's not an argument or a debate. That's tyranny.

There are two stages here to be concerned with when it comes to radical Islam that take this debate out of the realm of simply being a gentlemanly sport where we must strictly adhere to the principles of a liberal democracy - one is that the state is not treating everyone equally due to political correctness. The idea that we must address historical wrongs and atone for the "colonialist" sins of our forefathers in our policy making and in how we treat individuals has infected our institutions and this is WRONG. "All pigs are equal", period, full stop. There is not, "some pigs are more equal than others after that. The second thing is that many of the radical islamists themselves have told us that they will eventually also be able to win the numbers game in the democratic process that we put so much faith in. Are you willing to say that if Sharia Law is imposed on us through a "fair and democratic" voting process that we should accept it? If so, that's where you and I part company. I don't feel obliged to give such anti-liberal practices any quarter in our country.

Agreed


Lets go fast forward a few breeding generations shall we
As you note - the rad islamists will play the numbers game. They have all the time in the world. It is not a "do-it-now-or-else" proposition for them - Today, tomorrow, next year, next century - whatever it takes - however long it takes

At the rate we are going Canada will indeed be Canuckistan and there will be no vote and no agrgruments allowed, regardless of the strength or merits. We must have our discussions now - out in the open - debate and decide for ourselves, amongst ourselves - what our future will be