Mark and Connie are APPEALING!! Report by Jordan Press

Documenting free speech attacks by Richard Warman, Warren Kinsella, the Human Rights Commissions and others who would seek to silence conservative discourse in Canada.

Postby Connie Fournier » 03/ 30/ 09 8:51 pm

Peter O'Donnell wrote:What level of the court system will hear the appeal?

Also, can further documents be filed in the coming days to support the appeal?

What is the expected time line for a decision?


It will be heard in Appeals Court. I believe other documents can be filed, because we are allowed to have intervenors.

There will have to be a Motion hearing to determine if we are allowed to appeal. That is set for April 23rd. Now, there is a glitch that we will be in contempt on Thursday if we can't get a stay of the order until the motion hearing. We tried to get a motion hearing on Thursday, but that day was closed, and the 23rd was the first one available.

So, for those who are "pray-ers", you can pray that Barbara will be able to get a stay of the order until our motion hearing.

Otherwise, things fall apart.

The short timeline on this thing is really frustrating.
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Postby Maikeru » 03/ 30/ 09 9:40 pm

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Postby Mark Fournier » 03/ 30/ 09 9:46 pm

Maikeru wrote:In for a penny, in for a pound...

But also "for the want of a nail a kingdom was lost." If we don't get the stay by Thursday this terrible ruling will stand and several areas of law will be very adversely effected.
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Postby Grig » 03/ 30/ 09 10:54 pm

Keep fighting the good fight!
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Postby free_life2 » 03/ 30/ 09 11:16 pm

Will keep the prayers going here.
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Postby TomFoolery » 03/ 31/ 09 12:45 am

Mark Fournier wrote: If we don't get the stay by Thursday this terrible ruling will stand and several areas of law will be very adversely effected.


I think this ruling is specific to conservatives. The socialists and marxists will get the benefit of fair and proper treatment.
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Postby tanpro » 03/ 31/ 09 12:48 am

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Postby WestViking » 03/ 31/ 09 12:53 am

Mark Fournier wrote:
Maikeru wrote:In for a penny, in for a pound...

But also "for the want of a nail a kingdom was lost." If we don't get the stay by Thursday this terrible ruling will stand and several areas of law will be very adversely effected.
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Postby J.B. Stone » 03/ 31/ 09 12:57 am

Mark Fournier wrote:
Maikeru wrote:In for a penny, in for a pound...

But also "for the want of a nail a kingdom was lost." If we don't get the stay by Thursday this terrible ruling will stand and several areas of law will be very adversely effected.


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Postby Madrod » 03/ 31/ 09 1:31 am

I think any freedom loving lawyer or law student should be hitting the books learning how to fight the anti free speech agenda of the HRC and their Charter Rights destroying ilk in government.Unless lawyers want to end up as rubber stampers for a fascist judiciary, then it's way overdue for Canada's brightest legal minds to help themselves and the people of Canada at the same time.Thank you Mark and Connie for fighting on my behalf as a Canadian and may God bless you.
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Postby calgary clipper » 03/ 31/ 09 8:21 am

It's great to see that you have managed to appeal the ruling. Kudos to both of you for hanging in.

This entire HRC mess has been incrementally created legally over decades. It is going to take a lot of legal work to get it straightened out and hopefully there will be more individuals/groups from within the legal community that can see their way to taking on this issue (and others) in the interest of seeing justice done.

The credibility of the entire justice system is at stake as is the confidence of citizens at large that they will be dealt with so that justice is both done and seen to be done.

How did all of this happen. Basically, I think many people in the 80's and 90's have been very busy trying to make a living and raise a family. There was a trust level in those who chose to go into politics/law that they would do their best by Canadians and the overarching benefit to Canada as a nation. Information in these days was virtually all through the MSM and controversial areas simply didn't make the cuts as "news". This level of public trust is becoming very fragile and many more people are watching/becoming active in the 20's.

The same is true today for many of the younger generation in the 20's (witness the low voting turnout/interest in politics). Differences today are that the information is becoming much more readily available and many more people are just now finding out how badly the judicial system has let the country down. The best thing that the older generation can do is to become actively involved and beginning to pressure for reversal.

The MSM is doing its best to ignore/not report on much of this but times are changing and it seems that some in the judiciary/legal system are just beginning to "get it".

One of the first signs of real progress will be seen in whatever comes out with the soon-to-be released re-write of the AB HRC Act. If, as has been stated in the press, the freedom of expression sections are removed from the Act, it will be a direct result of public pressure and the light being shone in areas that have never seen daylight via books of Kathy S, Ezra L, u-tube and hopefully what will be a book of Free Dominion's experiences with the the CHRC/HRCs elsewhere.

If people within the legal community start standing up and being counted - the MSM is not going to be able to ignore the issues much longer - nor will the federal government.

Thanks for sharing your experiences as they have happened and will continue to happen. Opinions at this point are not really going to be a whole lot of help - except if there are thousands. The public has to see the original legal documents and get a first hand report of just how the process is/has been the punishment.
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Postby westcoast woman » 03/ 31/ 09 8:42 am

Thank you Calgary Clipper, you have explained the problem well. The msm has fallen down on the job of informing Canadians. In my opinion the media doesn't consider it a problem if Christians or conservatives are a victims of government busy-bodies because the msm sneers at these groups.

Newspapers are losing money and some will be closed. Even though I am an atheist I have been troubled by the snide put-downs of religious people by the media. I am surprised that church goers still subscribe to the daily papers, I gave up my subscription to the Vancouver Sun years ago.
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Postby EdS » 03/ 31/ 09 9:33 am

calgary clipper wrote: The MSM is doing its best to ignore/not report on much of this...

The conventional, mainstream MSM, (except for a few exceptions) are liberals who hold stereoptyped and platitudinous views of conservatives. They regard us as "right-wing", and even "far-right-wing". They are totally ignorant of conservatism and who we are, and rely on misperceptions, myths and falsehoods to label us. Thus, when reporting on HRC's they tend to lump us in with neo-nazis, and other "far-right" elements, thus delegitimizing us. As far as liberals are concerned only they are "normal", and the center. To them, conservatives are unknown territory, and potentially scary, and thus legitimate targets of the HRC's.
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Postby Angleland » 03/ 31/ 09 9:33 am

Connie Fournier wrote:
Peter O'Donnell wrote:What level of the court system will hear the appeal?

Also, can further documents be filed in the coming days to support the appeal?

What is the expected time line for a decision?


It will be heard in Appeals Court. I believe other documents can be filed, because we are allowed to have intervenors.

There will have to be a Motion hearing to determine if we are allowed to appeal. That is set for April 23rd. Now, there is a glitch that we will be in contempt on Thursday if we can't get a stay of the order until the motion hearing. We tried to get a motion hearing on Thursday, but that day was closed, and the 23rd was the first one available.

So, for those who are "pray-ers", you can pray that Barbara will be able to get a stay of the order until our motion hearing.

Otherwise, things fall apart.

The short timeline on this thing is really frustrating.


I seem to recall some slowness by You Know Who and/or his lawyers in meeting earlieer deadlines. Funny how some deadlines are easily extended while others are set ridiculously short. Even a rent review board gives 30 days to appeal a ruling in most jurisdictions that I am aware of.
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Postby Winston Smith » 03/ 31/ 09 9:38 am

Angleland wrote:
Connie Fournier wrote:
Peter O'Donnell wrote:What level of the court system will hear the appeal?

Also, can further documents be filed in the coming days to support the appeal?

What is the expected time line for a decision?


It will be heard in Appeals Court. I believe other documents can be filed, because we are allowed to have intervenors.

There will have to be a Motion hearing to determine if we are allowed to appeal. That is set for April 23rd. Now, there is a glitch that we will be in contempt on Thursday if we can't get a stay of the order until the motion hearing. We tried to get a motion hearing on Thursday, but that day was closed, and the 23rd was the first one available.

So, for those who are "pray-ers", you can pray that Barbara will be able to get a stay of the order until our motion hearing.

Otherwise, things fall apart.

The short timeline on this thing is really frustrating.


I seem to recall some slowness by You Know Who and/or his lawyers in meeting earlieer deadlines. Funny how some deadlines are easily extended while others are set ridiculously short. Even a rent review board gives 30 days to appeal a ruling in most jurisdictions that I am aware of.


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