Vote conservative, not Tory!

[Electric Gulag]

True, Tory is not a Conservative, and he will do some damage, maybe alot of damage to Ontario, but I'm looking at who will do the least amount of damage. Because at the moment, we don't have a true conservative party to vote for that could win.
A second-term Liberal party will go wild as do many second term governments. The second term is the time when parties push through all their craziest stuff. The provincial Liberals are even more rabidly socialist than their Federal counterparts. If re-elected, McGuinty and his crew would really wreck this province- that's my opinion. Think of all the commissions that they'll set up, and all the communists they'll put in high places, we'll be stuck with their political appointments for decades. We're still trying to spit out the residue of the NDP's catastrophe of the early 90's.
It feels great to take a stand for what's right, and what's true, but sometimes it's wise to look for the more effective approach. Tory will lock out socons from the party, and he'll promote the gay agenda, etc...but he's not a true believer in those things like the Liberals are, he's just trying to get elected. Plus, at least Tory has some people around him that are conservative- not many, but at least he'll have that other voice at the table. It's the Red-Tory, or the Liberal machine- and if you want to see state intervention, just give the Liberals another 4 years to invade your homes, cause they're whacko, and given a second term, they'll run rickshod over us.
I'll be holding my nose with both hands and voting for Tory.

[CrunchyCon]

It's the Red-Tory, or the Liberal machine- and if you want to see state intervention, just give the Liberals another 4 years to invade your homes, cause they're whacko, and given a second term, they'll run rickshod over us.
I'll be holding my nose with both hands and voting for Tory.

The problem with your position is that it just encourages PC's to keep acting like Liberals. And yes, I do think John Tory believes in the agenda just as much as Dalton. In fact Tory has put himself further at the forefront than Jack Layton.

The only way the PC's will get the message is if conservative voters stay home or vote for fourth-party candidates.

[nickjbor]

it seems this has quickly changed from a

I think we should definitely vote for Ontario PC candidates who are true conservatives

thread into a vote FCP one.

In line with the "don't vote Tory" theme....

Here is the FCP candidate in Sault Ste. Marie:

http://www.sootoday.com/content/news/fu ... mber=26734

I dont know if the PC candidate in this rding is a conservative or a Conservative, was that not (part of) the point of this?

[Connie Fournier]

I think we need to use this thread to brainstorm, but we need to organize all of the information into another thread with (hopefully) a list of all of the Ontario ridings and which candidates represent conservative values.

I don't see any harm in this thread discussing all of the parties, or in it being used to try to recruit candidates, but you are right, Nick, we need to organize all of the information when we are done brainstorming.

[Dacre]

CrunchyCon said

The problem with your position is that it just encourages PC's to keep acting like Liberals. And yes, I do think John Tory believes in the agenda just as much as Dalton. In fact Tory has put himself further at the forefront than Jack Layton.

That is exactly the problem. The OPC cannot be rewarded for stupidity. The party has made a grave error in leadership and direction and should suffer the consequences. Turning this around like some people do and blaming the conservative people is incredible to me. Far too many Canadians have fallen for it for too long.

[Heartofsong83]

Wow, that Sault FCP candidate has the endorsement of the federal CPC riding association manager!

[nickjbor]

I think we need to use this thread to brainstorm, but we need to organize all of the information into another thread with (hopefully) a list of all of the Ontario ridings and which candidates represent conservative values.

I don't see any harm in this thread discussing all of the parties, or in it being used to try to recruit candidates, but you are right, Nick, we need to organize all of the information when we are done brainstorming.

while I am not a "conservative" by the impled definition this thread talks about, I do support this fully. I'd rather see a conservative slate put togethor amongst arleady existing parties and candidates, then see a new party introduced to only further split the vote. I would like to help in getting the information, but am not sure how to do so

[nickjbor]

Wow, that Sault FCP candidate has the endorsement of the federal CPC riding association manager!

that's a good start

congrats on 10,000+ posts BTW

[Meistro]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UVx4jZFqZFE

Can we spend more and cut taxes? YES WE CAN! Because we're the magic party that will say anything to get elected and then disappoint you!

[T.G.]

I think we need to use this thread to brainstorm, but we need to organize all of the information into another thread with (hopefully) a list of all of the Ontario ridings and which candidates represent conservative values.

Pro-life groups that are trying to get info on candidates are indicating that the pickings are real slim as far as true conservatives from any of the mainline parties running in the Ontario election. It might only amount to a handful. That's the main reason why Catholic Insight magazine endorsed the FCP.

[Heartofsong83]

Wow, that Sault FCP candidate has the endorsement of the federal CPC riding association manager!

that's a good start

congrats on 10,000+ posts BTW

Thanks, I think that was my 10,000th post...

[CrunchyCon]

Wow, that Sault FCP candidate has the endorsement of the federal CPC riding association manager!

And not just the campaign manager. Bill Murphy, the Sault Ste. Marie FCP candidate, was part of (Sault CPC candidate) Ken Walker's inner circle during the last federal election. Pretty much all of Ken's inner circle from that election has signed up for Bill's campaign except the Roses (who are taking a break from politics) and Pete Vere (who has declared himself neutral since crossing over to the media).

[Fabulous Fred]

You figure this guy has a realistic chance to be elected?

I will likely vote FCP in my riding but no matter who the candidate is they don't stand a snowballs chance. The NDP will out poll them.

[CrunchyCon]

You figure this guy has a realistic chance to be elected?

Sault Ste. Marie voters are like New Hampshire voters in the United States - they have a strong independent streak. It's where East meets West in terms of culture, and their voters are totally unpredictable from election to election.

Remember this is the Ontario riding where the Confederation of Regions Party came in second. It is also the first riding east of Manitoba to organize for the Reform Party when the party decided to go national.

The only trend I've been able to discern in Sault politics is that Red Tories consistently get routed.

[hoarydragon]

I live in Windsor so I have no choice .