An Open Letter to PM Harper

[Droid1963]

Can you eat mountain shhe or are they just good as a wall mount?

Sinewy, stringy, and the flavour they have isn't good. More like mutton than lamb.

If you ain't particular about the horns and you really want the meat value of a ram, then you have to make a shot that tenderizes them...don't take them on high pasture where they drop into a soft cushion of alpine pasture sage and lupines, plug 'em on a ledge so they drop a couple hundred feet to the canyon floor...gravity tenderization takes the toughness right outta 'em.

nothing like making it easy to retrieve a downed animal, WM... like the time me and some buds knocked down a cow and her calf moose, 300 yards off the road, in a swamp, at last light, not a flashlight between us. Gutting them was literally reaching in and saying "that feels like it should stay"....

[Roy Wilson]

Can you eat mountain shhe or are they just good as a wall mount?

Sinewy, stringy, and the flavour they have isn't good. More like mutton than lamb.

If you ain't particular about the horns and you really want the meat value of a ram, then you have to make a shot that tenderizes them...don't take them on high pasture where they drop into a soft cushion of alpine pasture sage and lupines, plug 'em on a ledge so they drop a couple hundred feet to the canyon floor...gravity tenderization takes the toughness right outta 'em.

nothing like making it easy to retrieve a downed animal, WM... like the time me and some buds knocked down a cow and her calf moose, 300 yards off the road, in a swamp, at last light, not a flashlight between us. Gutting them was literally reaching in and saying "that feels like it should stay"....

Congrats. Better than draging them 4 mi out of th swamp.

[Wlyonmackenzie]

nothing like making it easy to retrieve a downed animal, WM... like the time me and some buds knocked down a cow and her calf moose, 300 yards off the road, in a swamp, at last light, not a flashlight between us. Gutting them was literally reaching in and saying "that feels like it should stay"....

I've done worse....mountain hunts you forget how far you've walked when that shot presents itself...I have downed Elk at last light in a snow squal 4 miles in from the trunk road near the cat creek range when we didn't have the horses scheduled to show until the next day....I got back to camp about 8PM and was lucky to find it with the snow squall covering my trail and limiting visibility...the next day we went back in about noon with the horses to find the carcass half gone.

As if I don't learn from my blundering, 2 years later I put a mule deer down in the same last light and distance from camp in the range west of the procupines and this time stayed the night with it hung in a tree gutted ( stupid!!) and a camp fire I kept going all night as I dozed off and on, rifle at hand....sun rise I saw bear and cat sign in the fresh gound frost 120 yards from my fire...my buddies found me about noon 1/4 way back to camp dragging that big mulie on a canvas and spruce sledge I rigged up ( exhusted and dulled from the lack of sleep)....and they helped me taking turns poling the deer out ( we didn't have quads in those days and they would be useless in that terrain anyways) we got back to camp at sun set as my buds grumbled about wasting a whole day helping me get this husky muley out....we resolved to set up stands and make shots closer to camp from that point forward

.....then there was the trophy moose I downed in a bog we couldn't get the truck winch close to it and it was slowly going under water as the air in its lungs escaped...improvised aspen raft and levers and 6 hrs of wet to the chest muck walking...ahh ya the glories and romance of the hunt

...and of course my Brittany spaniels curse me to this day for my tendacy to hunt DU projects for pheasant and Huns and to take the odd ringneck as it attempts to escape by flying over a prairie slough....they just love that methane smelling black slough ooze and the cold water on the retrieve...I empathize with them on the pain you go through to avoid having downed game go to waste... at least I spread the suffering around

[Faith Hope and Love]

<b>Long "exchange of arguments" postings by both posters above, have been "snipped" by Faith Hope and Love here, so please refer back to original author posts to read their former arguments, in their entirety...</b>

It sure sounds to me, looking at these argumenst from "the outside", ... like "some" gun owners (and any other collectively-organized lobby with strong (and particularly if longterm?) political party affiliation/allegiances/empowerment hopes... is also similar/common - "dime-a-dozen?) definition of "Patriotism" and their subsequent activism/choice of action?(lobbying(translation: political opportunism?)" is primarily (if not completely?) dependent upon their "governing Political Party(ie: collective empowerment) faithfulness"... we shall know them by the consistency of their principles and actions as governing parties come and go, govern and don't?...
Such would likely NEVER admit that "Party X" IS as "Party X" DOES... "need a majority" is another common, dime-a-dozen" EXCUSE, IMHO...

(oh, and btw, <b>Wlyonmackenzie</b>, I've now got "30 years at it"), non-issue-specific for the entire time-span, since I prefer to get/grasp the BIGGER PICTURE, non-party-affiliated/allegiant for the entire time-span, since I prefer to work from OUTSIDE the corrupt party collective SYSTEM/STRUCTURE under which ALL political parties must function ... etc, etc, etc... this reminds me of my "arguments" with a fella who calls himself "<b>backwoods</b>" in another FD recent thread...

All I would add here is that - IMHO - as long as the Harper Tories have the majority of their caucus comprised of former, powerful, "politically-correctness-inspired/allegiant" PCPO insiders AND continue to fund the Public Health Agency of Canada (and its financial/empowerment taxpayer-funded beneficiaries at "other" governmental jurisdictions)... WE THE PEOPLE and our private property/private decision-making authority/self-defense prioritizations, etc., etc., etc (anything to empower Individual (and by default family...) Responsibilities and Liberties... ARE TOAST! I don't care which party is governing since that doesn't in any way alter MY "Patriotism", buddy... this B.S. and associated lobbying for gov't/Public Health/"public" regulation/control really is... ALL POLITICAL PARTY SUPPORTED, at both the provincial and federal levels!

Lest we all forget the OPP and provincial gov't-responsible PERSECUTION of Jonathan Logan in 2003/2004 - when the PCPO was governing Ontario and simultaneously funding OCAT's imposition of smoking bans, TOO!?! ... just WHERE do you thing those same PCPO power-wielders in "Health", "Justice" and "Finance" are, in their LONGSTANDING and multi-jurisdictional political careers NOW, <b>Wlyonmackenzie</b>

Need I ALSO remind you of precisely WHO in the formerly-governing PCPO personally introduced/advocated/promoted enactment of the "one and the same" and more recent provincial-Liberal-used-against-Montague "civil "Assets Forfeiture"" reverse-onus, property-rights-defying/denying legislation

Giver yer head a good shake, <b>Wlyonmackenzie</b>... maybe you're getting Alzheimers AND going blind (by partisan political party-collective-allegiance-restricion-on-principled-activism blinding "contagion"?) :

[wdewitt]

The only thing that was drawn out by this farce ;was to buy votes and create gold pensions for there party members.
At no time was it a solution to the problem.
Also if you were in a bad dispute with some one; they could phone authorities and screw your clearance to hold a weapon or license. You still don't have property rights for your equipment.

[wdewitt]

With all the games play by the opposition party's to keep C68 for numerous years.
The Harper government seceded in getting a majority because the opposite refused to appeal it and go with the status quo.
Canadians got fed up with the same horse and pony show by the minority party's and waste of millions of taxpayers dollars;
on the same gong show.
I am glad some Easterners booth them out but I have little confides that the Liberals and NDP will change there stripes.
I seem there not even in the same ball park and there in on a bad drug trip.