<b>Long "exchange of arguments" postings by both posters above, have been "snipped" by Faith Hope and Love here, so please refer back to original author posts to read their former arguments, in their entirety...</b>
It sure sounds to me, looking at these argumenst from "the outside", ... like "some
" gun owners (and any other
collectively-organized lobby with strong (and particularly if longterm?) political party affiliation/allegiances/empowerment hopes... is also similar/common - "dime-a-dozen?) definition of "Patriotism" and their subsequent activism/choice of action?(lobbying(translation: political opportunism?)
" is primarily (if not completely?) dependent upon their "governing Political Party(ie: collective empowerment) faithfulness"... we shall know them by the consistency of their principles and actions as governing parties come and go, govern and don't?...
Such would likely NEVER admit that "Party X" IS as "Party X" DOES... "need a majority" is another common, dime-a-dozen" EXCUSE, IMHO...
(oh, and btw, <b>Wlyonmackenzie</b>, I've now got "30 years at it
"), non-issue-specific for the entire time-span, since I prefer to get/grasp the BIGGER PICTURE, non-party-affiliated/allegiant for the entire time-span, since I prefer to work from OUTSIDE the corrupt party collective SYSTEM/STRUCTURE under which ALL political parties must function ... etc, etc, etc... this reminds me of my "arguments" with a fella who calls himself "<b>backwoods</b>" in another FD recent thread...
All I would add here is that - IMHO - as long as the Harper Tories have the majority of their caucus comprised of former, powerful, "politically-correctness-inspired/allegiant" PCPO insiders AND continue to fund the Public Health Agency of Canada (and its financial/empowerment taxpayer-funded beneficiaries at "other" governmental jurisdictions)... WE THE PEOPLE and our private property/private decision-making authority/self-defense prioritizations, etc., etc., etc (anything to empower Individual (and by default family...) Responsibilities and Liberties... ARE TOAST! I don't care which party is governing since that doesn't in any way alter MY "Patriotism", buddy... this B.S. and associated lobbying for gov't/Public Health/"public" regulation/control really is... ALL POLITICAL PARTY SUPPORTED, at both the provincial and federal levels!
Lest we all forget the OPP and provincial gov't-responsible PERSECUTION of Jonathan Logan in 2003/2004 - when the PCPO was governing Ontario and simultaneously funding OCAT's imposition of smoking bans, TOO!?! ... just WHERE do you thing those same PCPO power-wielders in "Health", "Justice" and "Finance" are, in their LONGSTANDING and multi-jurisdictional political careers NOW
Need I ALSO remind you of precisely WHO in the formerly-governing PCPO personally introduced/advocated/promoted enactment of the "one and the same"
and more recent provincial-Liberal-used-against-Montague "civil "Assets Forfeiture"" reverse-onus, property-rights-defying/denying legislation
Giver yer head a good shake, <b>Wlyonmackenzie</b>... maybe you're getting Alzheimers AND going blind (by partisan political party-collective-allegiance-restricion-on-principled-activism blinding "contagion"?) :
"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics or anything else...If I could not go to Heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all."--Thomas Jefferson