Stock Day: "Registry will be scrapped", CFC employ

[Wlyonmackenzie]

Stockwell Day appeared on this Sunday's CTV "Question Period" to talk about CPC policy on the registry. He reiterated that the "long gun" registry will be "scrapped" ( his word for it). QUOTE: "we are committed to scrapping it". He says that the committee that was struck to look at the mechanisms of how to do it is still "working" on it.

He also used the word "licence" in talking about what will be continue to be required to purchase firearms....this flies in the face of the CPC firearms policy statement as written where it states we will be returning to a "certifying" system...perhaps this is still the case but to make things simple for the GTA types watching the show, he used the "licence" reference so they could better relate.

Also, Day reassured NB CFC employees will not be losing their jobs and that they may be reassigned to the HG registry ( which he says stays in place)....and the "safety course" stays in place( instead of what we were led to belive the provincial hunter training would be acceptable).

Talk about mixed signals. The concept of licencing or certifying may be semantics to Day but it makes a world of difference where our property and activities are concerned

Until I get details directly from Garry B or Dennis, I think what these guys say in public is just spin for dummies.

[Roy Wilson]

Wlyonmackenzie; your right why would they be reasigned to a HG registry that has worked wel for years with curent staff?

[carfix2000ca]

Wlyonmackenzie; your right why would they be reasigned to a HG registry that has worked wel for years with curent staff?

I read somewhere that Jamaican gang members and drug dealers in Toronto will be required to register their handguns

[Wlyonmackenzie]

Wlyonmackenzie; your right why would they be reasigned to a HG registry that has worked wel for years with curent staff?

Actually The HG registry was falling apart from useless out dated and meaningless data...recently there is some question if the loose handling of the data has been used to allow thieves to target large collectors.

[Roy Wilson]

Wlyonmackenzie; your right why would they be reasigned to a HG registry that has worked wel for years with curent staff?

Actually The HG registry was falling apart from useless out dated and meaningless data...recently there is some question if the loose handling of the data has been used to allow thieves to target large collectors.

Personally I think this breach was created to make a case for banning handguns and recentley.

[C.Morgan]

Just how complicated is pulling the plug on a completely failed program anyway?

Are they having difficulty calculating the severence pay?

I am beginning to suspect that they are trying to figure out how to retain it in order to get those precious Toronto votes.

[Heartofsong83]

I am beginning to suspect that they are trying to figure out how to retain it in order to get those precious Toronto votes.

Which will never go Conservative no matter what happens. Toronto is out of touch with the country at large...

[rbacon]

The CPC seems to have taken a liking to Liberal programs. If they break their word on this issue, they will lose a lot of support in the west.....Tory plan to kill long gun registry going strong
Updated Sun. Feb. 26 2006 6:15 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Canada's new minister of public safety says the government has no plans to back off on its intention to scrap the controversial long gun registry.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced his plan to kill the registry during the election campaign, and Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day told CTV's Question Period the plan hasn't changed.

"We're not backing away at all," Day said on Sunday. "We're moving ahead on this. It was an election promise. It's something we've been talking about for years."

The government recently formed a committee that includes Day, Justice Minister Vic Toews, and long-time registry critic Garry Breitkreuz, a Saskatchewan MP.

The committee is charged with studying the issue and determining the best course of action for scrapping it.

Day said the total registry costs could be approaching $2 billion, while the registry has not had a positive impact on gun crime.

"It has not reduced gun crime," he said. "As a matter of fact, homicide rates in the last two years have gone up in Canada. And we have committed to scrapping it."

However, Wendy Cukier, president of the Coalition for Gun Control, said the registry has helped improve public safety.

"It's true that rifles and shotguns aren't used today as frequently as handguns in murders, but that was not the case 15 years ago," she told CTV.ca. "And one of the reasons why murders with rifles and shotguns have declined so precipitously is because of the stronger controls on them."

She added that the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, along with major public safety groups and violence against women organizations, insist the registry is essential to fighting gun crime.

Law enforcement officials reportedly used the registry several thousand times a day over the last quarter of 2005.

More police on the streets

Day said all angles must be explored before the registry can be taken out of circulation.

"We're in that process," he said. "It takes a while to sort through the regulatory stuff, what can be done through regulation, what has to be done through change of legislation. That would involve my colleague Vic Toews in terms of the justice ministry. There's a lot of mechanical things that have to be done."

He added that the government will battle gun crime by putting more police on the streets and creating crime prevention programs for at-risk youth and gang related activity. It will pay for these programs with the money saved by killing the registry.

"We believe a lot of savings that will come from doing away with this ineffective registry will actually meet those goals," Day said. "We are not backing away."

As for about 200 government employees in Miramichi, New Brunswick who work for the registry, Day said the government is committed to making sure they don't lose their jobs.

Although the government plans to scrap the registry, it has no plans to make it easier to legally own firearms. Day said the process to obtain a firearms license is difficult, and it will remain so.

Day also said the handgun registry will remain in place.

[Denner]

From Wendy Cukier (excerpt from above)

"However, Wendy Cukier, president of the Coalition for Gun Control, said the registry has helped improve public safety.

"It's true that rifles and shotguns aren't used today as frequently as handguns in murders, but that was not the case 15 years ago," she told CTV.ca. "And one of the reasons why murders with rifles and shotguns have declined so precipitously is because of the stronger controls on them."

A PERFECT example of how she does it....lies that is.

Follow this: (Taken from the CFCentres' OWN website in 1997)

"Types of Firerms used in Homicides.", 1974-1997
"Number and % of All Firearm Homicides"

(To keep things focussed, I'll just list the 'Rifle/Shotgun' #'s and percentages:)

1974-(Number-180)=64%
1975-(Number-183)=63%
1976-(number-165)=64%
1977-(number-161)=62%
1978-(number-177)=71%
1979-(number-135)=65%
1980-(number-120)=62%
1981-(number-123)=62%
1982-(number-146)=59%
1983-(number-127)=57%
1984-(number-142)=62%
1985-(number-131)=59%
1986-(number-114)=65%
1987-(number-108)=54%
1988-(number-94)=56%
1989-(number-131)=60% ("15 years ago"-year Wendy picked.)
1990-((number-99)=51%
1991-(number-103)=38%
1992-(number-91)=37%
1993-(number-75)=38%
1994-(number-66)=34%
1995-(number-61)=35%
1996-(number-81)=38%
1997-(number-77)=40%

The 'Wendy's' don't explain or admit that BEFORE "15 years ago" the percentages were DROPPING (from "64%" in 1974, to "56%" in 1988, and sat at 8% LESS than in 1974 @ that point.) They take the CLOSEST (to today) BIG AMOUNT (%) which was CHERRYPICKED as 1989.

They do not tell that it was DROPPING BEFORE that date, nor do they even point out that it was going UP AGAIN in '96, and '97 IN SPITE of ALL and ANY laws they had come up with!

Dictionary: To mislead; "To deceive by causing to infer something not actually true." "To lie."

[goldhound]

What the RCMP and the government do not want you to know is that back some 15 years ago they lost hundreds, if not thousands of handgun registrations due to a computer changeover glitch! Followed by plain stupidity. It was not a one time thing from what i heard.
My friend had just purchased 3 handguns at an auction (he is a competative shooter) then two months later he was moving from Alberta to BC and was getting applications for permits to transport his 6 handguns.
He was asked, why 6? You have only 3 handguns, he stammered some and said, oh oh..... The next part of the process was a circle jerk and took a bunch of time, not to mention being being treated like a criminal while he was being honest!

[Robert777]

I have to say, that I think that the government should not let the CFC control the handgun registry. There has been a breach in security. And people are getting robbed in the Toronto area. If any thing it was better under the RCMP 10 years ago than the CFC.

The CFC should be scrapped. The Tories should not leave the infrastructure the lying liberals put into place. That anti-gun infrastructure should be destroyed once and for all.

To be honest with you, I think the handgun registry should be abolished too. Since all registries are eventually used for confiscation purposes.

PROUD TO BE A REFORMER, BUY A GUN AND PO A LIBERAL!

[PlaidShirt]

:-k

Just how complicated is pulling the plug on a completely failed program anyway?

Are they having difficulty calculating the severence pay?

I am beginning to suspect that they are trying to figure out how to retain it in order to get those precious Toronto votes.

In a majority gov't situation, not complicated at all.

I think it's pretty clear Stock is going to make whatever changes he can without making legislative changes. Luckily for him, C-68 gave the minister responsible huge latitude through regulations and order-in-councils to make changes. That was always my 2nd biggest fear, the minister could arbitrarily make changes to the rules. The searches without warrants was my biggest problem with it.

The registry will be gutted in the budget. It won't be a stand alone bill. We have to live with that. There just aren't the votes to scrap it completely.

[C.Morgan]

:-k

Just how complicated is pulling the plug on a completely failed program anyway?

Are they having difficulty calculating the severence pay?

I am beginning to suspect that they are trying to figure out how to retain it in order to get those precious Toronto votes.

In a majority gov't situation, not complicated at all.

I think it's pretty clear Stock is going to make whatever changes he can without making legislative changes. Luckily for him, C-68 gave the minister responsible huge latitude through regulations and order-in-councils to make changes. That was always my 2nd biggest fear, the minister could arbitrarily make changes to the rules. The searches without warrants was my biggest problem with it.

The registry will be gutted in the budget. It won't be a stand alone bill. We have to live with that. There just aren't the votes to scrap it completely.

In a minority government, still not complicated.

An order in council and it is gone.

There is no excuse for stalling.

[noel]

i would like to see the 2 billion taken out of liberal pensions wich are bloated beyond compehension. pay back the tax payers, scrap the stupid socialist moronic bill c68. if harper doesn,t do it i will never vote again a promise is a promise. we do not deserve to live in a liberal police state. you cannot fish you cannot hunt you can,t have any fun they wan,t your money freedom too, they even wan,t your gun. may they all get aids

[Nathan Zachary]

I read somewhere that Jamaican gang members and drug dealers in Toronto will be required to register their handguns

Really? It's about time. I'm more concerned about being able to carry a concealed handgun like they do however. Why are there diferent laws in this country for Jamaicans and drug dealers? I should be able to carry as well, especially when they start shooting at me.

I also want to know why I can't use a handgun for hunting. There's no reason why handguns can't be used for deer hunting. It fits right in there with shotgun and bow. And, it's much easier for crippled people to carry a handgun than it is a heavy rifle or shotgun, and bows are too hard to pull when you are disabled. A handgun would allow those who are crippled to re-join the sport.

Handguns would also be a good answer for urban deer hunting areas, where rifles are a little too much gun for more populated areas, but have a terrible deer overpopulation concern.

The government needs to re-write the laws and undo these restrictions which were placed into law by anti gun liberal kooks for no good reason.