Judges broaden parental obligation

[12 Point]

http://www.canoe.ca/OttawaNews/os.os-02-09-0010.html

Sunday, February 9, 2003
A message carved in snow
Amateur sculpture contest draws raves from crowd

By TOBI COHEN, Ottawa Sun

FROM Scooby-Doo eating a beaver's tail, to an interpretation of the dangers of cloning, this year's City SnowScapes Snow Sculpture contest ran the gamut from bizarre to breathtaking.

After a week's work, the annual amateur contest ended yesterday with prizes being awarded for best artistic rendering, best political commentary, most enthusiastic team, most innovative teamwork, best dressed team and best overall.

Judges spent the afternoon circulating through Festival Plaza, rating each of the 23 sculptures based on their originality, message and artistic merit.

"I wanted people to have an equal chance," said organizer Debra Beauregard. "They may have a good message but have not executed it as well, or maybe it's not so much artistic as it is original."

Visitors can also vote for their favourite sculpture up until Feb. 16 as part of the Rooms International People's Choice Awards.

While many seemed to favour a sculpture of the Senators winning the Stanley Cup, Beauregard said that sculpture was commissioned by the city and wouldn't be included in the competition.

Other crowd-pleasers included a pudgy bagpiper by the Clan MacNicol Society and a space-themed sculpture by Gamma Ray Productions.

NEW VENUE

For some of the creators, the message was integral. For instance, a sculpture called Lost Fathers, Lost Children, aimed to spread the word that divorce and custody disputes destroy families.

This year's theme -- Ottawa shows its colours


12 Point's Note:

Some Comments from Passers by......

Every single person we talked to could not believe the number of fathers suicides a year.

That is not a big surprise.

Some teenage boys walking by looked over and said, "You got that right."

A couple of older ladies said, " I don't agree with that, and this is not the place."

Several fathers that were there with their children stopped to talk, and one brought his children up for a picture.

A couple of students, from Africa and Kentucky, who are studying canon law in Ottawa, praised the efforts and prom,ised a prayer.

A couple of young women said, "Maybe if they paid their child support they wouldn't have a problem."


FYI, I spoke at length to a Journalist while at the Ice Sculpture dedicated to Fathers who have taken their lives, and their children who will forever more be, terribly damaged, and this Journalist was very interested in doing some in-depth reporting.

Will be forwarding data to help bring this issue of Men Killing themselves due to Male indifference and outright bias in our Divorce courts across the land.

I will be focussing on the men in the past few years who have left their "Suicide Notes" and "Death Bed Condemnations" of our Federal institutions that had aided in the breaking of these men down to the low ebb of despair and death.

Mark Dexel, Andrew Renouf, Darrin White, David Bengert.....just a very few of over 3,200 men each year, May you Rest in Peace. You are
the 's.

Any of you out there who know of others, please alert them to our cause to ensure their Male relative's death will not go unnoticed, nor will his life have been in vain.

Same goes for any children who would like to come forward and tell their story of loss of their Father due to Suicide. How the Divorce and Custody issues had affected their innocent lives.

To those in the various Groups of concerned peoples, please forward this information to all of your contacts, and lets get this unacceptable level of Death by Suicide, and lack of concern by our Elected officials to the fore.

Again, many thanx to Ken Johnson for his fine artistry and generous time, Kris Titus and her son Shawn for trekking once again to the Cold Capital, from S/E Ont., to Dan Caroll, Norbert, Wilma and Guy.

No doubt, this little message will become an annual reminder, and I would like to propose that we have a permanent Memorial commissioned and installed in Ottawa for the Lost Fathers, the Lost Children.

"From Small things PaPa, Big Things One Day Come

12 Point

Photo of Snow Sculpture can be seen at http://www.angryharry.com ......."TICKERTAPE" section.

or....... http://members.fortunecity.com/dexel

[Connie Fournier]

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[Kris Titus]

Let's face it folks. This particular form of male bashing in the courts is nothing new. We should not be shocked!
I know of at least 5 men personally who have been held financially responsible for children who are not their biological children.
One was only a part of the children's lives for 6 months.

Here's generally how it works. Whether or not the woman is 'already' receiving child support from the biological father, she now gets a 'bonus'.

This behaviour and ratification by the courts is outrageous to say the least.

It was not so long ago that the Supreme Court decided that common-law property division will not be handled under the rules of Divorce law.
The judges stated it is a conscious choice NOT to marry, and should be respected.

NOW we have another court in Canada violating men's rights by holding them accountable to children who are not their own.

So, tell me the courts in Canada are not in mayhem.

What is to be done? Anything and everything to put an end to this madness.

It is true, I have travelled to Ottawa twice over the last 3 weeks, with no end in sight.

WHO is willing to stand up to this Government and our Judiciary and say
ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!

There are 1500 people on this site. Each and every one write a letter. Send it to your MP and your MPP. Include Minister Cauchon and the Prime Minister.
CC it to as many members of the media as you can think of.

This garbage must stop before we continue to lose 8-10 men a day in Canada to Court Assisted Homicide.

I will keep going until I lose my house, my money, and my belongings before I lay down and lose my dignity and pride!

Kris

P.S. ANY issue we can bash this government on will certainly help Connie and the Canadian Alliance. LOL Just a little extra incentive!

[sophrosyne]

I for one do not support common-law marriages and wish that the courts would not recognize them at all. Common-law is a sham and an insult to the official state of marriage. Common-law should not be regarded as the same as marriage for the simple reason that it isn't.

Every time I meet a couple that is "common-law" I stand there and think: is it because they're trying to avoid taxes and responsibility, or do they just not want to be officially associated with one another?

If people choose not to marry, that's their choice. But they should have consequences for their lifestyle choices. If they choose not to marry and instead cohabit and pretend to be married in a common-law sham, they should not have the luxury of the rights accorded to married couples.

[Kris Titus]

And what RIGHTS might those be Sophrosyne?

Last I checked, I have the right to free association.

If I 'choose' to live common-law for whatever reason, I do not have to ask permission, nor should I.

I have never really spoken up on your out-of-touch unrealistic, and inflammatory posts before, but this time I will.

Every situation is unique. The term common-law was instituted by the government, but you may call it whatever you like.

Are you trying to say Sophrosyne that people who live common-law should be made to pay some sort of consequences?

I would think that a lot of people who live common-law do so because of the 'consequences' of marriage.

Try to reinvent the wheel why don't you?

Kris

[Tankman]

Common Law is NOT marriage. It is two people living together for whatever reason. If they choose not to marry, then they, at least in my opinion, should not be able to get family allowance, survival benefits, and so on.

The courts, in some cases, do have it wrong. Recent decisions that validate the fact that common law is not marriage is a step in the right direction.

[Surrealist]

Family Allowance? Hasn't been called that for many years.... Nowadays they call it the Child Tax Benefit and it is based on a parent's income in the previous year - it has absolutely nothing to do with "marriage" or "common-law".

The Child Tax Benefit is exactly that - a benefit for the child

Tankman your age and "out-of-touchness" is showing...

As far as survival benefits go, a person should be able to name whomever they chose as the benefactor...

[12 Point]

Folks.....we r here to help change Gov't policy for more equity for ALL.....

Men, women, Married, Common Law, wotever........

May I propose we focus on the issues instead of fighting amongst ourselves?

Governments have gotten away with enacting the current and mostly cruel one sided laws by perpetuating the myth of Differences between us.

Conquering and dividing.

There are far more similarities between us...MAN, Woman, White, BLack, Married, Common Law, than the Policy makers would want to admit.

Let's work together, keep personal opinions out of the mix, respect each others situations...and keep focused on the goal.

Bless ya's!

Kris....I need to speak to u!

[Ipberg]

Let's work together, keep personal opinions out of the mix, respect each others situations...and keep focused on the goal.

Providing a forum for exchanging personal opinions is the goal of Free Dominion, near as I can tell.

[sophrosyne]

Kris Titus, don't expect me to do an about-face and suddenly proclaim that common-law marriages are the best thing since sliced bread. There are plenty of people who think otherwise despite the attempts of the leftists who want to reinvent the concept and definition of marriage.

Associate with whomever you want. Live with whomever you want. Procreate with whomever you want. Just don't tell me it's a marriage, because it's not.

Personally, I don't believe common-law should be accorded the same status as marriage. I feel that doing so is an attack on marriage, degrades the very concept of it, and is an affront to married couples.

Are you trying to say Sophrosyne that people who live common-law should be made to pay some sort of consequences?

I never said any such thing. ???

I would think that a lot of people who live common-law do so because of the 'consequences' of marriage.

Exactly. They don't want to get married, and behave responsibly, or be held responsible, so they simply avoid the issue. Glad you recognize this.

out-of-touch unrealistic, and inflammatory posts

You must be talking about yourself: aren't you the one who claimed some guy committed suicide because of the justice system? Well, I've got news for you: people decide to committ suicide for their own reasons and nobody but themselves makes that decision for them. Blaming someone's suicide on others is living in denial of the reality that the individual alone made the choice to end their lives. Oh, and I almost forgot (*edit) - are those feminists still trying to kill you?

You have some nerve calling other people "out of touch."

You should get in touch with the fact that others have differing opinions and the right to express them. If you want to debate an issue with me, feel free. But if you just want to be a pest, find another target.

[you2rob]

BEWARE OF SINGLE MOMS :

These four words should not be taken lightly. This is about a law from the 1900`s that was rewritten in the mid 80`s and from then to present day has become one of Canadas number
one money makers for single moms. This is not a pyramid even though in some cases it may
seem to work that way. This is legal and backed by the Federal Government of Canada. Our
Justice system is doing everything possible to see that every single mom that applies for this
money making venture will do just that make money.

This is how it works , lets say you’re a single mom with two children (age of children makes no difference ) and the biological father is paying his child support, his income is $ 30,000 per year so he is paying about $ 450.00 a month for child support now that’s not bad but you want more. Now this is what you do, go out and find yourself a boyfriend and don`t be picky. You have lots of time to find the right guy right now all you want is another income and any guy will do. Meet him at a bar or anywhere, have a few dates, bring him home meet the family. Get him involved with the kids and you on trips, oh tell him that your in love with him.It may take a few weeks or a month but get him to start living with you and the kids. Once you have this done your on your way to easy street.Every so often have him take the kids out to the park, maybe to the zoo just him and the kids.If you do little things like this for about a year maybe less and some single moms have, you might even get married again, oh and yes keep saying you love him because you know love at this time and age is just a word, money is what you want.Now it`s time to find a new man so what do you do, well you start leaving him with the kids and you start going out again meet people, start dating don`t worry if he finds out that’s part of the whole plan, you want him to move out. You want that divorce it`s time to find another man with money because the man you just left is going to pay for those kids just like the real dad and l hope you were smart enough to make sure he made the same kind of money the real dad does or if not even more,
Now lets phone the lawyer and get things rolling,and any lawyer will do because the first thing any lawyer will ask is were there any children in this relationship.This is what you say, l have two children from a prevous relationship but this man has been just like a father to them. That’s it the lawyer will take care of the rest. See your children have just become the children of the marriage and that means your new ex has just been put inloco parentis of your children and is responsible to pay child support for those kids based on his yearly income just like the real dad and the money you get from the biological father has nothing to do with the amount that you will be receiving from the nonbiological father. To make it easy you still receive the $ 450.00 from dad one and if you where lucky enough to find a dad number two that makes more money, lets say dad two makes $ 75,000 per year that means he would pay just over $ 1000.00 a month in child support. Your total would be $ 1450.00 per month in child support, now go find mister right and just live together don`t get married and think of your incomes, one dad pays $ 450.00 the other pays $ 1000.00 your new boyfriends income and you work too now that’s the life. Wait remember this is legal and the Justice System backs it 100 % why not do it again now your thinking.
Things to remember for the double dipping single moms :

- You must get him to at least take the kids out on his own
- Have the kids give him a fathers day card
- Take pictures of him and the kids ( Christmas would be good )
- Even have the kids call him dad , that really works good

These are just simple steps for you to follow and it will work it has been since the mid 80s.
I have a list of case after case and this works for every single mom, even you moms that have been in a relationship with someone for 3, 4,years or even longer and your children just think of him as a step dad and you want to get out but you need his money. Don`t worry move on find another man you will still get the step dads money because the Federal Government past this law for all you single moms.

Now a word of caution like l said this has been going on since the mid 80s and is now really one of the top money makers for the single moms. I just think the sooner you get in to it the better because as soon as say the newspapers or talk shows start to check this out and find out that it is true. All you double dipping single moms will end up just that single moms because no man will have anything to do with you. Now you single moms who would never think of doing this my heart goes out to you because you’re the ones that your first relationship never worked out and now your just out looking for that knight in shinning armor someone you can start all over again, someone to really love, someone who would care about your children and you, to be a family again that’s what you want. But look what the double dipping moms are doing. Now you single moms who have just started a good relationship what if he reads this will he still be around.( who cares just make him pay too )

[SUZANNE]

This is my take: if you want the rights of marriage, you should have the responsibilities of marriage.

Marriage isn't merely a contract between two lovers. It's an institution and one of its primary functions is to raise children.

If people don't like that set up, then the laws for common-law unions should be changed so that they no longer get the benefits of marriage.

This idea that there should be two kinds of unions is nuts. Common-law unions cannot become an escape for people who want the status of marriage, but want to escape laws they don't like.

If you're the de facto father of a child during a relationship, then the termination of a legal marriage should not change that relationship. It should be the same for a common-law union. Just because the mom and the de facto step-dad have separated doesn't mean the relationship between the child and the step-dad should be changed.

Marital laws exist for a reason. Some of them might be bad or cumbersome, but the State has the right and the duty to see to the common good and protect spouses and the children.

My husband is a bureaucrat at the federal government, and he did some research on poverty. The biggest cause of poverty is growing up in a single-parent household. So here's the key to not have a poor household: don't have pre-marital sex and don't get divorced. I just heard a statistic that 7 out of 10 common-law relationships break up.