Tory MP won't retract unborn crime bill

[JOE HUEGLIN]

Twice on Tories abandon 'unborn victims' bill [ 1, 2 ]
26 Aug 2008 02:32 styky
http://www.freedominion.com.pa/phpBB2/v ... p?t=103450

this question was asked:
Precisely how does the Harper government cut loose a private members bill.

Is MP Ken Epp of Edmonton running again?

Here's the answer THEY DO NOT!

At least at this point . . . but one never knows, does one.

Here's Ken Epp's email address if you are of a mind:
"Epp K" <Epp.K@parl.gc.ca>,

(And you just might consider sendong a copy to

"Joe" joe.hueglin@bellnet.ca>)

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City MP won't retract unborn crime bill
Under fire from abortion-rights groups
http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/ ... 6-sun.html

OTTAWA -- The federal Conservatives want to deep-six a private member's bill from one of their own MPs that would bring additional criminal charges against anyone who attacks a fetus.

But the MP, Ken Epp, says he won't withdraw his bill, which has sparked protests from abortion-rights groups and from a national doctors' organization.

Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said yesterday new government-sponsored legislation will make attacking a pregnant women an "aggravating factor" that a judge must consider during sentencing of a violent offender.

"Our government will not reopen the debate on abortion," Nicholson told reporters.

"The government will introduce legislation that will punish criminals who commit violence against pregnant women, but do so in a way that leaves no room for the introduction of fetal rights."


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Nicholson did not release wording of the bill, but said Epp's attempt had been criticized by some as "instilling fetal rights."

Epp, an Edmonton Tory, said he was given no warning of the pending government legislation.

"I definitely will not be withdrawing my bill," Epp told Sun Media. "They're quite different. I don't intend to let up."

Epp's proposal, entitled the "Unborn Victims of Crime" Act, would impose extra criminal charges on anyone who harms a fetus against the wishes of the mother-to-be. It passed second reading in the House of Commons and was supported by several members of the Liberal party. Epp has repeatedly said the bill is not intended to interfere with a woman's right to abortion.

However, groups such as the Abortion Rights Coalition of Canada fear the wording could lend support to the legal notion of "fetal personhood." Last week, the Canadian Medical Association, which represents more than 65,000 doctors, also protested the bill.

Liberal leader Stephane Dion has called on the prime minister to clarify his stance on abortion.

The issue is gaining momentum just as the federal Tories contemplate a fall election. With government sources suggesting a vote may be called in the next few weeks, it is unclear whether Nicholson's bill will get to Parliament.

"I think it was damage-control time" for the Tories, said NDP justice critic Joe Comartin.

[Hailey]

What an admirable man.

[Connie Fournier]

Good for Ken Epp!! If I lived in his riding, I would vote for him without question!

Rob Nicholson, on the other hand, is a spineless little woman.

[semper fidelis]

Good for Ken Epp!! If I lived in his riding, I would vote for him without question!

Rob Nicholson, on the other hand, is a spineless little woman.

No need to demean women like that Connie!

[JOE HUEGLIN]

Send e-mails to both then.
"Epp K" <Epp.K@parl.gc.ca>, <Nicholson.R@parl.gc.ca>

[Brown envelope]

Good for Ken, it's so rare to see a politican stand up for something he believes in nowadays.

[doggedlyright]

"Our government will not reopen the debate on abortion," Nicholson told reporters.

What the heck is he talking about?

The government of all political stripes have been afraid to debate the pre-meditated murder of the unborn ever since the SCC struck down the law and sent it back to the government.

I love telling Americans that Canada has no restriction on this act and that a doctor can kill the baby with one toe still in the monther if she says so and get paid $ 650 for taking that life away.

The response in all cases to date: Canada is barbaric.

[Ipberg2]

Good for Ken Epp!! If I lived in his riding, I would vote for him without question!

Rob Nicholson, on the other hand, is a spineless little woman.

Who's being more honest? Though both insist they do not want to interefere with abortion rights, Nicholson is an actual pro-choicer while Epp says he's a pro-lifer.

[Hailey]

Good for Ken Epp!! If I lived in his riding, I would vote for him without question!

Rob Nicholson, on the other hand, is a spineless little woman.

Who's being more honest? Though both insist they do not want to interefere with abortion rights, Nicholson is an actual pro-choicer while Epp says he's a pro-lifer.

Rob Nicholson refused to complete the survey for campaign life in 2006 -at Mr. Harper's request- but in 2004 he was captured as pro-life. They have a very strict definition of pro-life. He has made a huge shift on this issue. He's not an honest person.

Regardless, this bill isn't about abortion - it's about the loss of life in the womb due to a crime against the mother.

[Ipberg2]

Regardless, this bill isn't about abortion - it's about the loss of life in the womb due to a crime against the mother.

The Epp private bill or the government bill?

[Connie Fournier]

Good for Ken Epp!! If I lived in his riding, I would vote for him without question!

Rob Nicholson, on the other hand, is a spineless little woman.

Who's being more honest? Though both insist they do not want to interefere with abortion rights, Nicholson is an actual pro-choicer while Epp says he's a pro-lifer.

The "abortion rights" thing is all smoke and mirrors.

The fact of the matter is that Epp has put forward a Private Member's Bill that has wide support in the social conservative community, and Rob "Dictator" Nicholson has decided to quash it before there can be an honest debate and a fair vote. He is showing the same contempt for our democratic rights that he has shown all along in the debate over Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act.

Nicholson is a twisted, dangerous man, and, sadly, he is representative of what the Conservative Party has become.

[Hailey]

Regardless, this bill isn't about abortion - it's about the loss of life in the womb due to a crime against the mother.

The Epp private bill or the government bill?

I was referring to Epp's bill.

[Hailey]

Good for Ken Epp!! If I lived in his riding, I would vote for him without question!

Rob Nicholson, on the other hand, is a spineless little woman.

Who's being more honest? Though both insist they do not want to interefere with abortion rights, Nicholson is an actual pro-choicer while Epp says he's a pro-lifer.

The "abortion rights" thing is all smoke and mirrors.

The fact of the matter is that Epp has put forward a Private Member's Bill that has wide support in the social conservative community, and Rob "Dictator" Nicholson has decided to quash it before there can be an honest debate and a fair vote. He is showing the same contempt for our democratic rights that he has shown all along in the debate over Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act.

Nicholson is a twisted, dangerous man, and, sadly, he is representative of what the Conservative Party has become.

What is even sadder is that many "pro-life" people worked hard to get Mr. Nicholson and people like him elected while berating pro-life peoplw who didn't support them. And sadder yet is that many "pro-life" will give the CPC their vote next time despite such maltreatment.

[Ipberg2]

"Our government will not reopen the debate on abortion," Nicholson told reporters.

Epp has repeatedly said the bill is not intended to interfere with a woman's right to abortion.

Yet Nicholson is a scumbag while Epp is a hero to pro-lifers.

[Fabulous Fred]

Yet Nicholson is a scumbag while Epp is a hero to pro-lifers.

That is an accurate summation. Nicholson is a scumbag,. a lech and unfit to be in cabinet.