Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romney

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Re: Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romne

Postby Red Green » 06/ 14/ 12 3:53 pm

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Anarchy is around to destroy politicians and ensure no one has authority over your life. If you give these guys an inch, eventually it turns into a mile. There is no moderation. So I don't know how you can be an anarchist and have 'faith' in Ron Paul to fix things.


I don't have faith in the process, but am willing to give it a go just because it is a peaceful way towards a liberty-oriented society. I am fine with incremental-ism so long as we don't sacrifice our principles in order to achieve gains.

Crush wrote:What you have is 'faith' in politicians. You think they will fix things eventually. You are waiting at the 11th hour for dreams to come true. It's not reality man.. I'm just being a friend and trying to tell you the support isn't there. He doesn't have it. I mean.. come on man.. he's on University campuses. I don't know why are still wishful thinking that something is going to happen in the future.. Actually this video talks about that very subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucdT7949LFc


I don't have faith in politicians, I have faith in the people I see as leading the Liberty movement. We need to replace the establishment fully and completely and that is a worthwhile goal.
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Re: Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romne

Postby free_life2 » 06/ 14/ 12 3:54 pm

And Ron Paul has remained consistently pro liberty.

And the message of liberty is what appears to me to be the passion these young supporters have not just end war ideology.
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Re: Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romne

Postby Crush » 06/ 14/ 12 4:50 pm

free_life2 wrote:And the message of liberty is what appears to me to be the passion these young supporters have not just end war ideology.


Yet these same people will end up like the Areospace Engineers that expect the gov't to provide them jobs for their useless degree. Why? Because I bet you anything when they graduate and can't get a job in their field, they will say 'the gov't needs to do x, y, z'. They won't say 'gov't needs to be eliminated so we can have jobs. They'll be asking for programs and handouts. I bet you anything. Why? Because they don't have life experience and are currently *IN* the gov't system taking out loans and going to University. I'm a sucker that did the same and spent 10 years paying back loans. My career just got shipped off and given away to immigrants in Canada. The market got flooded and I got washed a shore. My solution is not to have faith in gov't fixing things. They caused this big mess of debt, credential-ism, and losing jobs. They created this environment. It's nutty to think that they are going to fix it. Ron Paul can't fix anything. Most tyranny is state and local. He's just going to give states powers to become more tyranical and lighten the load federally which no doubt will help greatly.
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Re: Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romne

Postby Crush » 06/ 14/ 12 7:09 pm

Chuck Baldwin's Warning to Ron Paul.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3ZKdEhcbDE
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Re: Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romne

Postby Godwin » 06/ 14/ 12 7:43 pm

Endorsing Evil Is Politics as Usual
by Philip Giraldi, June 14, 2012
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Last Wednesday, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky endorsed Mitt Romney for president of the United States and followed up a day later by saying he would be “honored” to be Romney’s choice for vice president. Paul pledged his support after having a discussion with Romney in which the latter outlined some of his positions that were of particular concern. According to Paul, Romney supported “reforming the Federal Reserve, limiting regulations, and opposing the Stop Online Privacy Act,” adding that “there is a lot of kinship between us on those issues.”

Regarding Mitt’s foreign policy views, Rand Paul told Sean Hannity that “[we] had a very good and I think honest discussion about a lot of these things; and I came away from it feeling he would be a very responsible commander in chief, I don’t think he’ll be reckless, I don’t think he’ll be rash, and I think that he realizes and believes as I do that war is a last resort and something we don’t rush willy-nilly into, and I came away feeling that he’ll have [a] mature attitude and beliefs toward foreign policy.”

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Re: Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romne

Postby Crush » 06/ 14/ 12 10:56 pm

Lew Rockwell: Ron Paul will NOT Endorse Mitt Romney!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvSl5zkBRDg


ALSO MAKES STRONG STATEMENTS SAYING HE'S FOR THE BREAKUP OF AMERICA!! COME ON LEW, PLEASE HELP DRAW UP A CONSTITUTION!
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Re: Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romne

Postby Crush » 06/ 16/ 12 4:51 am

Ron Paul Speaks! - An Important Message to All Supporters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1orl4CHevU
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Re: Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romne

Postby Charles J. White » 06/ 16/ 12 6:53 am

RedDog wrote:Just throwing this out there for discussion:

Has anyone considered a "deal" made where Rand is a potential VP nominee by way of this move? Ron Paul is not going to be the GOP candidate. Maybe the plan now is Rand's future run after Mitt's Presidency.

Just thinking out loud here.


I agree,

Rand just gave a GREAT interview explaining why, and how:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygwZHpTUmaI
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Re: Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romne

Postby Red Green » 06/ 16/ 12 10:26 am

Ron Paul has a message for his supporters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOHlN5JW ... r_embedded
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Re: Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romne

Postby shiva » 06/ 16/ 12 10:44 am

Red Green wrote:Ron Paul has a message for his supporters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOHlN5JW ... r_embedded


:hurray: Excellent!

"The real war is the war of ideas", and this "is an idea whose time has come". As Paul says, more and more people are seeing the failure of the big government, authoritarian way and this movement needs to be strong enough, and credible enough to fill that void.

Here's an excellent article I read along those lines which should encourage those of us who are anxious to see a major shift in how people view the role of government:

http://www.newcriterion.com/articles.cf ... ution-7395

It's long but well worth the read.
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Re: Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romne

Postby Crush » 06/ 16/ 12 3:30 pm

He can't keep basing his message off anti war. That is not the main part of the message.

But the students and Paul-Left and fake Libertarians have made Paul into some communist Naom Chompski figure speaking to students in sweaters.

When he started speaking in Universities and wearing the sweaters, he tanked in the polls even further. That was the wrong thing to do.

I wish Paul wouldn't have brought the left into the party by preaching anti-war and nothing else.

There was this guy in the Paul comments praising Paul and then telling people to watch 'the shock doctrine 2009'. That movie is basically a pro marxist hit piece filled with lies. The movie promotes marxism and staged wars by the rich. The same far left idiocracy.

It's like dude.. how can you be a Paul supporter, and then be promoting a pro Marxist movie. Then you go to see the movie (which was filled with lies), and the ratings are all thumbs up with Paul supporters.

There's a Marxist element in the Paul movement that only want to hear 'hate the fed (they see it as 'hate the rich'), and be 'stop the wars'.

They don't understand that 800,000 civil servants will be sent packing home. Best Buy will fold creating unemployment of workers and truckers. There will be riots on the streets from civil servants. Welfare payments to states will disappear. Entitlements will disappear. Things like NASA and other boondoggles will be privatized and layoffs will be massive. States and inner city schools are going to lose federal funding. Affordable housing will demolished. People in the US will have a MUCH harder time buying a home and interest rates will rise. House prices will drop. People will lose TONS of money on their 401k's (at first yes it will hurt). Gov't won't be coving things like flood insurance so if there's a disaster, people will be on their own. Immigrants will flood into the country. Paul likes immigrants and many of his supporters do NOT agree with his immigration policies. I'd even say the majority of his supporters (real supporters, not the Marxist ones). States will have more powers to be even MORE tyrannical. Members of congress would be striking. I'm talking hunger strikes. It's happened here in Canada so no reason why it woudln't over there. This is what gov't handouts breed. Oh and yes there would be DE-flation for a long time.

While all of the things above would be rough for some years, it's VERY NECESSARY to fix the current problems. It's medicine that no one wants to swallow. The idea is reduce tax and regulations, and have businesses feel safe to come back to the United States and bring back jobs. I can assure you, the Marxist Paul supporters have no idea what his real plans are or any of the above ideas. Alll they think is that Paul is some anti-war hippie. He's not. He's much, much tougher than Regan and likely could be the greatest president of all time.

This is why some of us who are original Paul supporters have lost faith. We know he won't win. We know the message has gotten out, but people really want their entitlements protected and to get involved in international politics. The kids just want to hear anti-war or want to jump on the Paul bandwagon because he's the new Chompsky or something.

We need a separatist community. So far those who seem to promote this are: Lou Rockwell, Peter Schiff, Stefan Molyneux, Gerald Celente, Alfred Adask, Kerry Lutz. We all support Paul, but we've all lost 'faith' at this point and in the system. Things are brewing. Words are getting stronger.

I recommend not to vote. Obama isn't as bad as he seems. He'll just keep the civil servant system going and will hopefully show people it won't work. But be careful, if Romney gets elected, who knows what he might do. We do know he wants to police the Internet and go after local citizens for copyright. He's very, very big on police and law. He wants to start terrifs with China if they essentially don't pay Microsoft. He said this I'm not kidding. So you and me will have to pay higher prices for Chinese goods in order to fund the Microsoft stocks which are held by pension funds and 401k's of civil servants. No private citizen owns stock anymore. This is his answer.

He says he's going to link public sector pay to private. Sounds good at first. But how on earth do you do that? Oh I know how. Start a new gov't department lined with civil servants out of academia that will EVENTUALLY ensure that the pay of civil servants are MUCH higher than ours. That's all that will come out of this. Another laughable boondoggle. What's SCARY about this, is it paves the way for the gov't to tell YOU how much are allowed to be paid for what you do. They will do this to ensure that the corporation you work for stays profitable so their civil servant pensions can go up... Sound like COMMUNISM to me.

Obama aint so bad compared to a Romney disaster.. I just recommend NOT to vote this election and let the cards fall.
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Re: Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romne

Postby Red Green » 06/ 16/ 12 4:14 pm

I'm voting for Obama. Hopefully AZ will swing for Obama this time.
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Re: Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romne

Postby Crush » 06/ 16/ 12 7:45 pm

Red Green wrote:I'm voting for Obama. Hopefully AZ will swing for Obama this time.


Are you serious?
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Re: Ron Paul Supporters Pissed That Rand Paul Endorsed Romne

Postby Godwin » 06/ 18/ 12 2:58 pm

Rand Paul’s Oedipal Drama
Ron vs. Rand: a study in betrayal

by Justin Raimondo, June 18, 2012
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Every time Rand Paul opens his mouth, he seems to put both feet and a couple of other appendages in it. There was that unfortunate interview with Rachel Maddow, there was the “couldn’t get any gayer” quip – and now this.

In an alternately opaque and all-too-revealing interview with the Daily Paul web site, in which he tried to explain why he endorsed Mitt Romney, Sen. Paul actually said “It doesn’t mean anything.” I’m sure the Romney campaign will be quite glad to hear that.

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