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BROTHERHOOD-INFILTRATED “PAULISTINIANS”
Posted on February 3, 2012 by CVRP2012
3 FEB 2012
by Adam G. House

First, a Brief Open Letter To Neo-Cons, Chicken-Hawks, & War Profiteers: F-CK YOU!
Very Sincerely,
Adam G. House (U.S. Army retired OEF Combat Veteran for Ron Paul)


And, Now, To My Fellow Americans,

(WARNING: EXPLICIT PISSED OFF PLAIN-SPOKEN SOLDIER CONTENT)

No more sugar-coating it. The Emperor has no clothes! We’ve been sold out. The Constitution is in ribbons. The lies of those who have exploited War Fever & Patriotism continue coming to light. The propaganda war machine has convinced the GOP electorate that they must fund both sides of wars in foreign nations. They have convinced Republican voters that a voluntary Army means we soldiers like War and wouldn’t do multiple deployments if we didn’t believe in the mission (whatever it is today). The establishment has succeeded in influencing people to spread ‘democracy’ with the barrel of a gun instead of prosperity with friendly trade. Now, yours truly, has been accused of being infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood and was labeled a “Paulistinian” by Republican establishment types at a recent straw poll. With people hanging out at Republican events talking about how we should watch out for the Sharia boogeyman around every corner, I have to wonder what the hell is wrong with these people who used to believe in freedom of religion. Do Christians like it when labeled as wanting to replace the Constitutional Republic with a theocracy? Muslim Americans serve in the United States military just like people from a plethora of various faiths.


Take it from a reformed Christian (now Deist), and OEF veteran; We shouldn’t let the radical religious Christian Right drive American foreign policy towards their apocalyptic visions of Armageddon any more than Iranians should let theirs be driven by the radical religious Muslim extremists. These nut-jobs on both sides want this damn war, which plays right into the hands of Osama bin Laden’s stated strategy of collapsing America by bogging it down in the Middle East. The problem is, the same old chicken-hawk war-profiteering neo-cons who continue to win their propaganda campaign are not the ones catching the bullets for it; That’s what young Patriotic men and women who love their Country enough to want to serve in its’ defense do. And, the American military is damn good at what it does when not hamstrung by the Washington bureaucracy.

Being stationed in Europe, deploying to Afghanistan, and traveling through many nations, it strikes me how ignorant average Americans are about the rest of the world in comparison with the average folks on the street I’ve met in foreign nations where they have to share many borders. I wish average Americans would pay more attention to our nation’s foreign policy. We have to educate ourselves; especially considering the propaganda machine of the RepubliCrat, mainstream media (which includes Fox News), and international corporate banking establishments. If one soldier is at War in the name of America, then every American is at War by proxy and bares the responsibility of understanding why. That also means not buying the government’s propaganda about the war without question. If Vietnam taught us anything, it should be that the government lies about War. Individual liberty also means individual responsibility. Whether you like it or not as an American citizen, our government is waging War in your name. If you truly care about who your nation kills, how it goes about pursuing peace, why we go to War, and when it’s appropriate to put American soldiers at risk, then don’t give me that establishment talking point bull-shit about Ron Paul having a dangerous foreign policy. Ron Paul is the choice of this combat veteran for very deeply held reasons, not the least of which is that avoiding bloodshed is preferable when possible. If you’ve got to fight a War, you fight it to win it with swift and overwhelming force. War is Hell. War is a Pandora’s box. Proceed with caution.

It does not make sense to believe in American sovereignty and Right to self-determination, but spend over ten years occupying and pretending like we still have a mission in Afghanistan. The soldier in the fight needs a clear mission. If ANYONE reading this can provide that clear mission in terms you’d be comfortable explaining it in the bloody face of a wounded soldier, PLEASE post it in the comments below!

It does not make sense to say that America is a Constitutional Republic, but we want to spread ‘democracy’ (something our Founders opposed) all around the world by wielding wrath and violence. This is a Corporatist approach to government which sacrifices American sovereignty and therefore ultimately the Constitution as the supreme law of the land, in a trade-off for international law and government monopolized foreign trade and other entanglements.

As a veteran of a voluntary Army in wartime, I can’t say that I appreciated being called a “Paulistinian,” as though to suggest I may have terrorist sympathies, or even that all self-identified ‘Palestinians’ somehow do. I’m the veteran; I thought I was the one who was supposed to be paranoid. I certainly think you’re a fucking retard if you actually believe I’ve switched sides, much less for some violent wackos like the Muslim Brotherhood. I’ve brushed off the ‘Paulbot,’ ‘conspiracy theorist,’ and ‘kook’ nonsense; but I take issue with anybody who suggests I’m supporting radical Islamic jihad. The truth is, Combat Veterans for Ron Paul are being painted this way because an article like this one runs contradictory to the narrative the RepubliCrat establishment wants unchallenged. They don’t want veterans to feel comfortable speaking out because people MIGHT actually listen when we say that we’re sick of our brothers and sisters still in the field dying in crooked wealthy politicians’ unnecessary wars. American voters need to wake up and take some responsibility for protecting our service-members (we claim to love for their honorable service) from being sent to serve as cannon-fodder for tyrants. Only we have the power to make it stop. We gave up some of that power by not forcing declarations of War as consistent with the Constitutional checks and balances on Presidential power. Now, our nation is poised to either elect a new warmongering despot or re-elect the one we have.

Ron Paul is the only Presidential candidate in the Republican field who does have a clear, reasonable, and Constitutional approach to foreign policy that is actually also reflective of the wishes and warnings of America’s Founding Fathers. We can’t be so naïve about the rest of the world as to allow the war-profiteering international bankers, blood-sucking neo-cons, and chicken-hawk fools pay for their failure of diplomacy and botched foreign relations with the blood of the soldiers in the fight on the ground. If we elect Obama, Romney, Gingrich, or Santorum in 2012, the bloodshed of America’s patriotic youth continues on foreign soil for no clear mission or defined goal. The consequence of Obama, Romney, Gingrich, or Santorum will be continued world policing and nation-building at the President’s unchecked and unconstitutional discretion. In order to stop everyone we aren’t comfortable with having nuclear energy, we will literally have to police the entire world. Ron Paul is the only candidate even telling us that he wants to restore the Constitution and the original intent of War Powers belonging with Congress and ultimately, We The People. If he’s lying, we’ll hold him accountable; but, Obama and the other Republican candidates have made it clear that they will continue to abuse the Executive authority and assault the Constitution. As someone who took a serious Oath to uphold the Constitution, I think the choice is abundantly clear.

cont'd...
http://cvrp2012.com/2012/02/03/muslim-b ... istinians/

[Red Green]

Words from a true patriot.

[J.B. Stone]

The Pope's chances are dwindling just as I always thought they would.

[Red Green]

The Pope's chances are dwindling just as I always thought they would.

Jesus didn't stand a chance either. Bet you would have loved to be one of the guys throwing stones at him on his way to Calvary.

But hey on the bright side you man Mittens looks to be cruising towards a win. Way to pick a winner there JB!

[Hubert Mitchell]

← Army Combat Medic endorses Ron Paul, bashes ObamaMUSLIM

BROTHERHOOD-INFILTRATED “PAULISTINIANS”
Posted on February 3, 2012 by CVRP2012
3 FEB 2012
by Adam G. House

First, a Brief Open Letter To Neo-Cons, Chicken-Hawks, & War Profiteers: F-CK YOU!
Very Sincerely,
Adam G. House (U.S. Army retired OEF Combat Veteran for Ron Paul)


And, Now, To My Fellow Americans,

(WARNING: EXPLICIT PISSED OFF PLAIN-SPOKEN SOLDIER CONTENT)

No more sugar-coating it. The Emperor has no clothes! We’ve been sold out. The Constitution is in ribbons. The lies of those who have exploited War Fever & Patriotism continue coming to light. The propaganda war machine has convinced the GOP electorate that they must fund both sides of wars in foreign nations. They have convinced Republican voters that a voluntary Army means we soldiers like War and wouldn’t do multiple deployments if we didn’t believe in the mission (whatever it is today). The establishment has succeeded in influencing people to spread ‘democracy’ with the barrel of a gun instead of prosperity with friendly trade. Now, yours truly, has been accused of being infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood and was labeled a “Paulistinian” by Republican establishment types at a recent straw poll. With people hanging out at Republican events talking about how we should watch out for the Sharia boogeyman around every corner, I have to wonder what the hell is wrong with these people who used to believe in freedom of religion. Do Christians like it when labeled as wanting to replace the Constitutional Republic with a theocracy? Muslim Americans serve in the United States military just like people from a plethora of various faiths.


Take it from a reformed Christian (now Deist), and OEF veteran; We shouldn’t let the radical religious Christian Right drive American foreign policy towards their apocalyptic visions of Armageddon any more than Iranians should let theirs be driven by the radical religious Muslim extremists. These nut-jobs on both sides want this damn war, which plays right into the hands of Osama bin Laden’s stated strategy of collapsing America by bogging it down in the Middle East. The problem is, the same old chicken-hawk war-profiteering neo-cons who continue to win their propaganda campaign are not the ones catching the bullets for it; That’s what young Patriotic men and women who love their Country enough to want to serve in its’ defense do. And, the American military is damn good at what it does when not hamstrung by the Washington bureaucracy.

Being stationed in Europe, deploying to Afghanistan, and traveling through many nations, it strikes me how ignorant average Americans are about the rest of the world in comparison with the average folks on the street I’ve met in foreign nations where they have to share many borders. I wish average Americans would pay more attention to our nation’s foreign policy. We have to educate ourselves; especially considering the propaganda machine of the RepubliCrat, mainstream media (which includes Fox News), and international corporate banking establishments. If one soldier is at War in the name of America, then every American is at War by proxy and bares the responsibility of understanding why. That also means not buying the government’s propaganda about the war without question. If Vietnam taught us anything, it should be that the government lies about War. Individual liberty also means individual responsibility. Whether you like it or not as an American citizen, our government is waging War in your name. If you truly care about who your nation kills, how it goes about pursuing peace, why we go to War, and when it’s appropriate to put American soldiers at risk, then don’t give me that establishment talking point bull-shit about Ron Paul having a dangerous foreign policy. Ron Paul is the choice of this combat veteran for very deeply held reasons, not the least of which is that avoiding bloodshed is preferable when possible. If you’ve got to fight a War, you fight it to win it with swift and overwhelming force. War is Hell. War is a Pandora’s box. Proceed with caution.

It does not make sense to believe in American sovereignty and Right to self-determination, but spend over ten years occupying and pretending like we still have a mission in Afghanistan. The soldier in the fight needs a clear mission. If ANYONE reading this can provide that clear mission in terms you’d be comfortable explaining it in the bloody face of a wounded soldier, PLEASE post it in the comments below!

It does not make sense to say that America is a Constitutional Republic, but we want to spread ‘democracy’ (something our Founders opposed) all around the world by wielding wrath and violence. This is a Corporatist approach to government which sacrifices American sovereignty and therefore ultimately the Constitution as the supreme law of the land, in a trade-off for international law and government monopolized foreign trade and other entanglements.

As a veteran of a voluntary Army in wartime, I can’t say that I appreciated being called a “Paulistinian,” as though to suggest I may have terrorist sympathies, or even that all self-identified ‘Palestinians’ somehow do. I’m the veteran; I thought I was the one who was supposed to be paranoid. I certainly think you’re a blasted retard if you actually believe I’ve switched sides, much less for some violent wackos like the Muslim Brotherhood. I’ve brushed off the ‘Paulbot,’ ‘conspiracy theorist,’ and ‘kook’ nonsense; but I take issue with anybody who suggests I’m supporting radical Islamic jihad. The truth is, Combat Veterans for Ron Paul are being painted this way because an article like this one runs contradictory to the narrative the RepubliCrat establishment wants unchallenged. They don’t want veterans to feel comfortable speaking out because people MIGHT actually listen when we say that we’re sick of our brothers and sisters still in the field dying in crooked wealthy politicians’ unnecessary wars. American voters need to wake up and take some responsibility for protecting our service-members (we claim to love for their honorable service) from being sent to serve as cannon-fodder for tyrants. Only we have the power to make it stop. We gave up some of that power by not forcing declarations of War as consistent with the Constitutional checks and balances on Presidential power. Now, our nation is poised to either elect a new warmongering despot or re-elect the one we have.

Ron Paul is the only Presidential candidate in the Republican field who does have a clear, reasonable, and Constitutional approach to foreign policy that is actually also reflective of the wishes and warnings of America’s Founding Fathers. We can’t be so naïve about the rest of the world as to allow the war-profiteering international bankers, blood-sucking neo-cons, and chicken-hawk fools pay for their failure of diplomacy and botched foreign relations with the blood of the soldiers in the fight on the ground. If we elect Obama, Romney, Gingrich, or Santorum in 2012, the bloodshed of America’s patriotic youth continues on foreign soil for no clear mission or defined goal. The consequence of Obama, Romney, Gingrich, or Santorum will be continued world policing and nation-building at the President’s unchecked and unconstitutional discretion. In order to stop everyone we aren’t comfortable with having nuclear energy, we will literally have to police the entire world. Ron Paul is the only candidate even telling us that he wants to restore the Constitution and the original intent of War Powers belonging with Congress and ultimately, We The People. If he’s lying, we’ll hold him accountable; but, Obama and the other Republican candidates have made it clear that they will continue to abuse the Executive authority and assault the Constitution. As someone who took a serious Oath to uphold the Constitution, I think the choice is abundantly clear.

cont'd...
http://cvrp2012.com/2012/02/03/muslim-b ... istinians/

Right on !

[free_life2]

← Army Combat Medic endorses Ron Paul, bashes ObamaMUSLIM

BROTHERHOOD-INFILTRATED “PAULISTINIANS”
Posted on February 3, 2012 by CVRP2012
3 FEB 2012
by Adam G. House

First, a Brief Open Letter To Neo-Cons, Chicken-Hawks, & War Profiteers: F-CK YOU!
Very Sincerely,
Adam G. House (U.S. Army retired OEF Combat Veteran for Ron Paul)


And, Now, To My Fellow Americans,




cont'd...
http://cvrp2012.com/2012/02/03/muslim-b ... istinians/

Excellent catch and serve NB.


===================================

He touches on a point I have been looking at, the warmongering of the Christian right. And I make no validation that they are in fact Christian, that is God's call. But I wonder about some of these leaders and then of course some of their followers, who are so eager to kill, bomb, destroy and maybe bring about end time destruction as one of their possible motives.

Are these people even Christians? I am absolutely serious! When asking this and there seems to be mounting evidence they are not! Are they that deceived? And could they be that deceived if they were Christians and had the Holy Spirit dwelling in them... leading them.

They sure don't sound or act like Jesus Christ...you know the One they are suppose to belong to and follow and worship and be like Him!

Like when Santorum said as President it was a done deal he would bomb Iran to smithereens and the the next two days he climbed rapidly in polls of supposed Christians on the right.

Here we have the Radical religious Muslims who want end time all out war and destruction and there all these supposed Christian leaders and Christians who agree and seem to want the same thing.

Goats maybe? Weeds among the wheat.... wolves in the flock.... anti Christs and false prophets. Not making that jump yet but there is enough of a smell (stink) here that it is sure possible.

What do you think? ...........maybe we should have a thread in the Religion forum on this??

[Red Green]

← Army Combat Medic endorses Ron Paul, bashes ObamaMUSLIM

BROTHERHOOD-INFILTRATED “PAULISTINIANS”
Posted on February 3, 2012 by CVRP2012
3 FEB 2012
by Adam G. House

First, a Brief Open Letter To Neo-Cons, Chicken-Hawks, & War Profiteers: F-CK YOU!
Very Sincerely,
Adam G. House (U.S. Army retired OEF Combat Veteran for Ron Paul)


And, Now, To My Fellow Americans,




cont'd...
http://cvrp2012.com/2012/02/03/muslim-b ... istinians/

Excellent catch and serve NB.


===================================

He touches on a point I have been looking at, the warmongering of the Christian right. And I make no validation that they are in fact Christian, that is God's call. But I wonder about some of these leaders and then of course some of their followers, who are so eager to kill, bomb, destroy and maybe bring about end time destruction as one of their possible motives.

Are these people even Christians? I am absolutely serious! When asking this and there seems to be mounting evidence they are not! Are they that deceived? And could they be that deceived if they were Christians and had the Holy Spirit dwelling in them... leading them.

They sure don't sound or act like Jesus Christ...you know the One they are suppose to belong to and follow and worship and be like Him!

Like when Santorum said as President it was a done deal he would bomb Iran to smithereens and the the next two days he climbed rapidly in polls of supposed Christians on the right.

Here we have the Radical religious Muslims who want end time all out war and destruction and there all these supposed Christian leaders and Christians who agree and seem to want the same thing.

Goats maybe? Weeds among the wheat.... wolves in the flock.... anti Christs and false prophets. Not making that jump yet but there is enough of a smell (stink) here that it is sure possible.

What do you think? ...........maybe we should have a thread in the Religion forum on this??

Awesome reply FL2. Not being a Christian, I have to wonder why it is that I am so eager to try peace and why some "Christians" are so anxious for war.

[virgey]

← Army Combat Medic endorses Ron Paul, bashes ObamaMUSLIM

BROTHERHOOD-INFILTRATED “PAULISTINIANS”
Posted on February 3, 2012 by CVRP2012
3 FEB 2012
by Adam G. House

First, a Brief Open Letter To Neo-Cons, Chicken-Hawks, & War Profiteers: F-CK YOU!
Very Sincerely,
Adam G. House (U.S. Army retired OEF Combat Veteran for Ron Paul)


And, Now, To My Fellow Americans,




cont'd...
http://cvrp2012.com/2012/02/03/muslim-b ... istinians/

Excellent catch and serve NB.


===================================

He touches on a point I have been looking at, the warmongering of the Christian right. And I make no validation that they are in fact Christian, that is God's call. But I wonder about some of these leaders and then of course some of their followers, who are so eager to kill, bomb, destroy and maybe bring about end time destruction as one of their possible motives.

Are these people even Christians? I am absolutely serious! When asking this and there seems to be mounting evidence they are not! Are they that deceived? And could they be that deceived if they were Christians and had the Holy Spirit dwelling in them... leading them.

They sure don't sound or act like Jesus Christ...you know the One they are suppose to belong to and follow and worship and be like Him!

Like when Santorum said as President it was a done deal he would bomb Iran to smithereens and the the next two days he climbed rapidly in polls of supposed Christians on the right.

Here we have the Radical religious Muslims who want end time all out war and destruction and there all these supposed Christian leaders and Christians who agree and seem to want the same thing.

Goats maybe? Weeds among the wheat.... wolves in the flock.... anti Christs and false prophets. Not making that jump yet but there is enough of a smell (stink) here that it is sure possible.

What do you think? ...........maybe we should have a thread in the Religion forum on this??

Awesome reply FL2. Not being a Christian, I have to wonder why it is that I am so eager to try peace and why some "Christians" are so anxious for war.

Don't be patting yourself on the back too soon Red Green, because the majority of the non-Christians prefer to commit their killing at home away from an enemy that can retaliate, as opposed to unborn children who cannot resist their extinction, but only die in the name of women's supposed need of preventing a new baby from cramping her lifestyle.

[virgey]

I also agree that there are too many so-called Christians who do not mind killing people in far off lands, just as long as they don't have to do it themselves, and they are not faced with the carnage.

[Ben Kenobi]

Hey Crunchy Con:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/04/r ... -abortion/

Apparently Ron Paul ain't so pro life after all. Good to see phoneys getting exposed.

[free_life2]

Hey Crunchy Con:

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/04/r ... -abortion/

Apparently Ron Paul ain't so pro life after all. Good to see phoneys getting exposed.

Not sure what you see as phony .... he says it is a tough one on whether a woman immediately after rape should have the right to get a shot of estrogen which would prevent her from becoming pregnant. A lot of pro life people would agree with him and then there are a lot who would not. It is like the differing beliefs between Catholics and other Christians and pro life people on whether contraception like condoms is wrong or not. Ron Paul is not Catholic. He is running for the nomination to run for President, not Pope of the RCC.

Do you want it to be a crime for a woman to abort who has been raped?

What would you have her charged with and how should she be punished, in your opinion?

[free_life2]

← Army Combat Medic endorses Ron Paul, bashes ObamaMUSLIM

BROTHERHOOD-INFILTRATED “PAULISTINIANS”
Posted on February 3, 2012 by CVRP2012
3 FEB 2012
by Adam G. House

First, a Brief Open Letter To Neo-Cons, Chicken-Hawks, & War Profiteers: F-CK YOU!
Very Sincerely,
Adam G. House (U.S. Army retired OEF Combat Veteran for Ron Paul)


And, Now, To My Fellow Americans,




cont'd...
http://cvrp2012.com/2012/02/03/muslim-b ... istinians/

Excellent catch and serve NB.


===================================

He touches on a point I have been looking at, the warmongering of the Christian right. And I make no validation that they are in fact Christian, that is God's call. But I wonder about some of these leaders and then of course some of their followers, who are so eager to kill, bomb, destroy and maybe bring about end time destruction as one of their possible motives.

Are these people even Christians? I am absolutely serious! When asking this and there seems to be mounting evidence they are not! Are they that deceived? And could they be that deceived if they were Christians and had the Holy Spirit dwelling in them... leading them.

They sure don't sound or act like Jesus Christ...you know the One they are suppose to belong to and follow and worship and be like Him!

Like when Santorum said as President it was a done deal he would bomb Iran to smithereens and the the next two days he climbed rapidly in polls of supposed Christians on the right.

Here we have the Radical religious Muslims who want end time all out war and destruction and there all these supposed Christian leaders and Christians who agree and seem to want the same thing.

Goats maybe? Weeds among the wheat.... wolves in the flock.... anti Christs and false prophets. Not making that jump yet but there is enough of a smell (stink) here that it is sure possible.

What do you think? ...........maybe we should have a thread in the Religion forum on this??

Awesome reply FL2. Not being a Christian, I have to wonder why it is that I am so eager to try peace and why some "Christians" are so anxious for war.

It is a good question. Are these people even Christian?

Who (people wise) brings about the end time war scenario? There are somewhat differing viewpoints on who is who in biblical end time events, but I am wondering if there are those who profess to belong to Christ but maybe do not are involved in bringing about this end time war. While I believe biblical end time theology I don't believe we should have any part in bringing end time war, death and destruction about. God will let it unfold as He as He has already determined.

[Ben Kenobi]

he says it is a tough one on whether a woman immediately after rape should have the right to get a shot of estrogen which would prevent her from becoming pregnant

Only if you define pregnancy as coming after implantation. Pregnancy begins at conception. This is a pretty important teaching.

Do you want it to be a crime for a woman to abort who has been raped?

I know some very kind women who have been in this circumstance. All the abortion did was cover up the rape and protect the rapist. So yes - I would want the doctor arrested for not reporting the rape and the rapist, which is his duty as a doctor to protect his patient.

A doctor has the obligation to ignore what a patient requests, if complying would not solve the underlying problem. The problem here is the rape and the rape must be reported and taken to the authorities.

Two, in this circumstance, a doctor has two patients, the mother and her child. The doctor cannot kill one patient to help the other - so he has no right to kill the child. There is no medical necessity for the doctor to 'cure' the rape, by doing an abortion - ergo the doctor has no right to perform an unnecessary surgery.

So that's three reasons right there why giving the woman an early term abortion is the wrong thing for a doctor to do.

It's not really that complicated an issue. If:

1, we believe that pregnancy begins at conception

AND

2, that the child formed in the womb is the same as the child that comes out of the womb

THEN

Killing the child in the case of rape is not justified.

[free_life2]

http://cvrp2012.com/2012/02/03/muslim-b ... istinians/

[free_life2]

he says it is a tough one on whether a woman immediately after rape should have the right to get a shot of estrogen which would prevent her from becoming pregnant

Only if you define pregnancy as coming after implantation. Pregnancy begins at conception. This is a pretty important teaching.

Do you want it to be a crime for a woman to abort who has been raped?

I know some very kind women who have been in this circumstance. All the abortion did was cover up the rape and protect the rapist. So yes - I would want the doctor arrested for not reporting the rape and the rapist, which is his duty as a doctor to protect his patient.

A doctor has the obligation to ignore what a patient requests, if complying would not solve the underlying problem. The problem here is the rape and the rape must be reported and taken to the authorities.

Two, in this circumstance, a doctor has two patients, the mother and her child. The doctor cannot kill one patient to help the other - so he has no right to kill the child. There is no medical necessity for the doctor to 'cure' the rape, by doing an abortion - ergo the doctor has no right to perform an unnecessary surgery.

So that's three reasons right there why giving the woman an early term abortion is the wrong thing for a doctor to do.

It's not really that complicated an issue. If:

1, we believe that pregnancy begins at conception

AND

2, that the child formed in the womb is the same as the child that comes out of the womb

THEN

Killing the child in the case of rape is not justified.

But the woman should not be charged is what you are saying, correct? ???

Look I believe the bible teaches life begins before conception (read Jer 1:5 - don't know anyone who teaches this but myself though) and human physical life begins at conception, but I don't hear any one running for President advocating a law that would punish a woman who was raped for having an abortion. And if the woman isn't being charged the law has no teeth, no purpose. Bet dollars to donuts neither Santorum and Gringrich would answer the question differently about a woman immediately getting a shot estrogen after being raped, if you have some evidence of the opposite show us.