I remember sitting between Lemire and BCL in Toronto at the last Lemire hearing. Both seemed like restless, troubled men to me. In my peripheral vision I could see Fromm. He appeared upset not to be at Marc's ear. I am sure he wondered who I was. It was quite a day.
A side note. I am convinced Fromm is a fake, like Bristow. Just sayin...
That ol' Nazi label
By Dr.Dawg on April 5, 2012 3:07 PM | 14 Comments and 1 Reaction
It’s just never appropriate, is it?
Let’s take the two Canadian “free speech advocates” pictured above, Marc Lemire and Paul Fromm, as a case in point.
I may have spoken too quickly about these gentlemen. But the kindly white folks over at Free Dominion have turned me around.
Look, we’ve been exposed for days now to the intriguing use of the word “racist” being bandied about by the Right in reference to the Trayvon Martin case.
Apparently it’s “racist” to speak out against all-pervasive presence of racism in American society. It’s “racist” to want justice for a kid stalked and killed by a white vigilante. It’s “racist” to cover the Martin case if you’re a person of colour—the crime, it would seem, of broadcasting while Black. It’s “racist” to reach out to the bereaved Martin family, as one human being to another. It’s “racist” to note the almost unanimous right-wing view that Martin was the guilty one, a typical (insert racist stereotypes and slurs here—this one’s inventive).
The word “racist,” in other words, has been appropriated by those we’ve been calling racists ourselves, as an insult for progressives. It’s white hoods vs. Black hoodies, with the racists in the latter corner. So we racists will have to think up a new, printable signifier for the braying members of the ex post facto lynch mob presently busy trying to assassinate Trayvon Martin’s character.
In the meantime, I’m determined to be post-racial today, so I thought I’d take a look at that other n-word, without incurring the wrath of Godwin—but just to show once again how words can get all bent out of shape.
Nazis? The two fellows I mentioned above are just crusaders for free speech. The fact that they post on a site like Stormfront makes no never-mind. Fox News, after all, is supportive of Stormfront—heck, some of its staffers are even members.
It’s all good mainstream stuff.
As I said, I’ve been unkind enough to have a go at these guys in the past, using the n-word and all. But here are the counter-arguments, and mark them well, as I have.
Marc Lemire posts on Stormfront, but so what? “White power” boards had all the good information long before Ezra Levant and Mark Steyn. And Lemire never said anything explicitly racist on that “white power” site. Besides, Stormfront really isn’t all that bad, you know?
Maybe Lemire was guilty of a few youthful indiscretions, but he hasn’t put a foot wrong for years. He was certainly never the head of it. OK, even if he was, the Heritage Front wasn’t Nazi anyway.
(Whoops. Oh, well, there’s no doubt a good explanation.)
Swastikas? Hey, they’re just an East Indian goodluck charm!
As for Paul Fromm, nothing wrong with him either says a Free Dominion regular.
He certainly attends all the good parties:
This latest, from Gawker magazine, on the occasion of a sparsely attended meeting of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, is a keeper:
Next up was Paul Fromm, a red-faced Canadian anti-immigration crusader and straight up crazy motherfucker. Oh, he had a nice sort of aw-shucks speaking style that, along with his pleasant Canadian accent, gave him the air of a slightly frazzled professor. But he was perhaps the most extreme extremist of the entire weekend.
“When I go to the Wal-Mart I don’t see a group of young Negroes with backward hats on looking to lift somebody’s wallet,” he said, in praise of the charms of Harrison’s non-diversity. “When I took a brief stroll from my hotel, you didn’t have some 13-year-old negress trying to sell herself to me….We are being ethnically cleansed from the cities of America!” he thundered. “I don’t know if it was the Hutus cleansing the Tutsis, or the Tutsis cleansing the Hutus. Well, they should all be cleansed.”
At this point one can almost imagine the ghost of A.H. himself waxing indignant: “‘Nazi?’ Come on! I was just a good German nationalist who had problems with the multi-cult and, ah, ethnic special interest groups. I was a militant pro-family patriot, dammit, and I built the German economy. And the autobahn! Enough with the namecalling, already!”
OK, OK, I give up! I’ll try not to call these people “Nazis” any more, and certainly not “racists,” heaven forbid. What’s in a name? The Fourniers have convinced me: the word “conservative” will do very nicely after all. Which, on reflection, is all that I’ve really been saying all along.
UPDATE: Check this out for a somewhat different take on Lemire. Dawg’s Blawg is nothing if not fair and balanced.
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What is it about these people that leads them to keep gathering together to give one another awards and to stage weekend getaways for the public that only they attend? You should start something similar, Dr. Dawg. Gloatessa gives an award to thwap, thwap gives an award to sooey, sooey gives an award to plg....
Yesterday 04:01 PM 2 Likes
Yes! Now if only I had a Fair Trading Post within biking distance I could buy a hemp gown to wear to the awards ceremony.
Yesterday 04:37 PM in reply to Peter 1 2 Likes
Organic make-up will do just fine, sooey. Not that you need it, of course.
Yesterday 05:03 PM in reply to sooey
I guess you are not reading the right American blogs Herr Doctor. When you only read those that confirm your bias and then get hysterical when you happen upon one that offends your point of view, it is called naivety, not rigorous intellectual inquiry. Typical Canadian complacency. It is so boring.
Yesterday 04:17 PM 1 Like
Nope, Dr Dawg sings with the angels on this one. I do appreciate that Fromm looks like the quintessential first-year English Lit prof and Lemire resembles a pudgy mailroom clerk who can't wait to attack the box lunch mumsy made him, but they are actually quite nasty pieces of work.
Yesterday 04:45 PM in reply to grounsel 5 Likes
What? They look to me like prime specimens of the master race.
If one of them was a woman you'd have your foundational breeding pair right there.
Today 03:10 AM in reply to Peter 1 1 Like
OT, I know, but speaking of East Indian good luck charms, I think it is something of a shame that the various versions of the swastika in Buddhist and Hindu Asia (they only look similar to the Nazi version, and are quite easy to distinguish) are not more widely seen in Canada. My reasons are:
A) There are used completely unself-consciously, so there is no question of bad-faith as you mention with the Stormfront crowd, nor are Hindu and Buddhist users of the symbol generally even thinking of Naziism at all when they use the symbol.
B) They look different enough to not be confused by people who have seen both versions.
C) They look similar enough that the existence of numerous houses of worship (attended by the immigrant other and the hated lefty Vegan crowd) with the swastika symbol on it would steal the Neo-Nazi thunder.
D) By the way, the symbol goes beyond a mere good-luck charm; it is quite important actually.
Yesterday 05:54 PM 1 Like
" the symbol ( the swastika) goes beyond a mere good-luck charm; it is quite important actually."
Yeah, I think we got that.
Yesterday 06:01 PM in reply to abdar nitangae 2 Likes
I mean it is absolutely everywhere in Buddhst contexts in South Korea. Almost on the level of the cross in Christianity.
Yesterday 06:09 PM in reply to Peter 1 1 Like
Indeed. Bit of trivia: which "good guy " country had swastikas on its aircraft during WW2?
Yesterday 09:03 PM in reply to abdar nitangae 1 Like
The US, I think, but it reflected "kills."
Yesterday 09:08 PM in reply to knygathin_zhaum
56 minutes ago in reply to Dr. Dawg 1 Like
Marc Lemire ... Doesn't he work for the Conservative Research Bureau, aka the Conservative Resource Group ?
While originally listed in 2010, his Gov. of Canada page was updated just a few days ago.
Yesterday 06:05 PM
Holy crap! Updated with attribution.
Added: Well, not. I have just received a communication from a Person Who Knows--wrong Lemire. Too delicious to be true, alas.
Yesterday 06:22 PM in reply to AlisonCreekside F