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Postby smallLliberal » 11/ 22/ 11 5:38 pm

Y'all are being played for fools by coal, oil and gas industries.

University of East Anglia spokesman Simon Dunford said that while academics didn't have the chance yet to examine the roughly 5,000 emails apparently dumped into the public domain Tuesday, a small sample examined by the university "appears to be genuine."

The university said in a statement that the emails did not appear to be the result of a new breach. Instead, the statement said that the emails appeared to have been stolen two years ago and held back until now "to cause maximum disruption" to the imminent U.N. climate talks next week in Durban, South Africa.


Penn State University Prof. Michael Mann — a prominent player in the earlier controversy whose name also appears in the latest leak — described Tuesday's development as "a truly pathetic episode," blaming agents of the fossil fuel industry for "smear, innuendo, criminal hacking of websites, and leaking out-of-context snippets of personal emails."

In an email to the AP, he said that the real story behind the leak was "an attempt to dig out 2-year-old turkey from Thanksgiving '09. That's how desperate climate change deniers have become."

Bob Ward, with the London School of Economics' Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change, said in an email that he wasn't surprised by the leak.

"The selective presentation of old email messages is clearly designed to mislead the public and politicians about the strength of the evidence for man-made climate change," he said. "But the fact remains that there is very strong evidence that most the indisputable warming of the Earth over the past half century is due to the burning of fossil fuels and other human activities."

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2011/11/22/world/europe/AP-EU-Climate-Leaked-Emails.html?_r=1&smid=tw-nytimes&seid=auto
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Postby smallLliberal » 11/ 22/ 11 5:41 pm

the timing of this 2nd leak should tell you people everything

this is all part of the plan to put doubt in peoples minds when the decision makers gather, same as before :nono:

all orchestrated for maximum effect by a large group of moneyed scumbags who could care less about the air y'all breathe
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Postby Maikeru » 11/ 22/ 11 5:57 pm

smallLliberal wrote:the timing of this 2nd leak should tell you people everything

this is all part of the plan to put doubt in peoples minds when the decision makers gather, same as before :nono:

all orchestrated for maximum effect by a large group of moneyed scumbags who could care less about the air y'all breathe
So you're happy with the concept of 'decision makers' taxing the very air you breath, due to the belief of Algorians and other 'moneyed scumbags'.
Your post exhibits the 'strata council' mentality which prohibits that war vet in the next apartment from smoking on his own balcony.
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Postby Hodgson » 11/ 22/ 11 6:11 pm

CO2 is air we exhale.
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Postby Maikeru » 11/ 22/ 11 6:16 pm

Hodgson wrote:CO2 is air we exhale.
Those who smoke pay tax before they exhale...
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Postby Brexx » 11/ 22/ 11 7:02 pm

smallLliberal wrote:the timing of this 2nd leak should tell you people everything

this is all part of the plan to put doubt in peoples minds when the decision makers gather, same as before :nono:

all orchestrated for maximum effect by a large group of moneyed scumbags who could care less about the air y'all breathe


If the emails are genuine whats the problem? Some people are far too gullible and need some doubt put in their minds on this issue.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for your conspiracy theory that the fossil fuel industry is behind these email leaks?
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Postby smallLliberal » 11/ 22/ 11 7:07 pm

Maikeru wrote:
smallLliberal wrote:the timing of this 2nd leak should tell you people everything

this is all part of the plan to put doubt in peoples minds when the decision makers gather, same as before :nono:

all orchestrated for maximum effect by a large group of moneyed scumbags who could care less about the air y'all breathe
So you're happy with the concept of 'decision makers' taxing the very air you breath, due to the belief of Algorians and other 'moneyed scumbags'.
Your post exhibits the 'strata council' mentality which prohibits that war vet in the next apartment from smoking on his own balcony.



I am hoping that the decision makers make a positive step towards reducing air pollution. Firstly so I breathe less of it and live a little longer, secondly so that the warming slows so we can adjust for the future.

The fact the jerks (Russian spies) who stole these emails and waited 2 years only to leak them right before another summit, clearly displays their alterior motives. Dontcha think?
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Postby smallLliberal » 11/ 22/ 11 7:09 pm

Brexx wrote:
smallLliberal wrote:the timing of this 2nd leak should tell you people everything

this is all part of the plan to put doubt in peoples minds when the decision makers gather, same as before :nono:

all orchestrated for maximum effect by a large group of moneyed scumbags who could care less about the air y'all breathe


If the emails are genuine whats the problem? Some people are far too gullible and need some doubt put in their minds on this issue.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for your conspiracy theory that the fossil fuel industry is behind these email leaks?


Who else would steal them? Clearly they went after them for a reason.

Apparently they are selectively releasing them. Cherry picking whatever helps the oil, coal and gas industry.
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Postby smallLliberal » 11/ 22/ 11 7:12 pm

Hodgson wrote:CO2 is air we exhale.


yes, and too much of anything is bad
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Postby backhoe » 11/ 22/ 11 7:13 pm

HT Inssty...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/11/22/climategate-2-0/

Climategate 2.0 emails – They’re real and they’re spectacular!
Posted on November 22, 2011 by News Staff

A better link to where to download the new FOIA2011.zip file is posted below the fold – Anthony

Rick Bradford says:
November 22, 2011 at 6:38 am

The e-mails are hilarious — the sequel is better than the original.

It shows that Jones et al don’t and didn’t have a clue what they were doing, and desperately didn’t want anyone to find out about it, to protect their funding stream.

In any sane world, that would be the ballgame.
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Postby styky » 11/ 22/ 11 7:14 pm

smallLliberal wrote:
Hodgson wrote:CO2 is air we exhale.


yes, and too much of anything is bad


What would you have us do.......stop breathing
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Re: Hadley CRU has apparently been hacked –[epic fraud?]

Postby styky » 11/ 22/ 11 7:16 pm

Fresh round of hacked climate science emails leaked online

A file containing 5,000 emails has been made available in an apparent attempt to repeat the impact of 2009's similar release
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guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 22 November 2011 15.29 GMT
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A fresh tranche of private emails exchanged between leading climate scientists throughout the last decade was released online on Tuesday. The unauthorised publication is an apparent attempt to repeat the impact of a similar release of emails on the eve of the Copenhagen climate summit in late 2009.

The initial email dump was apparently timed to disrupt the Copenhagen climate talks. It prompted three official inquiries in the UK and two in the US into the working practices of climate scientists. Although these were critical of the scientists' handling of Freedom of Information Act requests and lack of openness they did not find fault with the climate change science they had produced.

Norfolk police have said the new set of emails is "of interest" to their investigation to find the perpetrator of the initial email release who has not yet been identified.

The emails appear to be genuine, but the University of East Anglia said the "sheer volume of material" meant it was not yet able to confirm that they were. One of the emailers, the climate scientist Prof Michael Mann, has confirmed that he believes they are his messages. The lack of any emails post-dating the 2009 release suggests that they were obtained at the same time, but held back. Their release now suggests they are intended to cause maximum impact before the upcoming climate summit in Durban which starts on Monday.

In the new release a 173MB zip file called "FOIA2011" containing more than 5,000 new emails, was made available to download on a Russian server called Sinwt.ru today. An anonymous entity calling themselves "FOIA" then posted a link to the file on at least four blogs popular with climate sceptics – Watts Up With That, Climate Audit, TallBloke and The Air Vent. The same tactic was used in 2009 when the first 160MB batch of emails were released after being obtained – possibly illegally – from servers based at the University of East Anglia, where a number of the climate scientists involved were based.

One marked difference from the original 2009 release is that the person or persons responsible has included a message headed "background and context" which, for the first time, gives an insight into their motivations. Following some bullet-pointed quotes such as "Over 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day" and, "Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilise greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels," the message states:

"Today's decisions should be based on all the information we can get, not on hiding the decline. This archive contains some 5.000 emails picked from keyword searches. A few remarks and redactions are marked with triple brackets. The rest, some 220.000, are encrypted for various reasons. We are not planning to publicly release the passphrase. We could not read every one, but tried to cover the most relevant topics."

The use of points instead of commas to mark the thousands when writing a number – highly unusual in both the UK or US – is sure to lead to speculation about the nationality of those responsible.

The message then includes a sample of cherry-picked quotes selected from a small handful of the emails focusing on apparent disagreements between the scientists, the workings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and attempts to block climate sceptics from securing documents from the scientists via freedom of information requests. Many of the same issues were highlighted in the 2009 release.

One of the most damaging claims in 2009 was that Prof Phil Jones, the head of the UEA's Climatic Research Institute had deleted emails to avoid FOI request. One of the reviews into the content of the emails, conducted by Sir Muir Russell, concluded that "emails might have been deleted in order to make them unavailable should a subsequent request be made for them" - something that Jones has denied. At the time CRU was coming under sustained pressure by an organised campaign to release information, which the scientists saw as distracting from their work.

The new emails include similar statements apparently made by the scientists about avoiding requests for information. In one email, which has not yet been specifically confirmed as genuine, Jones writes: "I've been told that IPCC [Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change] is above national FOI Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 [the IPCC's fifth Assessment Report] would be to delete all emails at the end of the process".

In a statement, the University of East Anglia said: "While we have had only a limited opportunity to look at this latest post of 5,000 emails, we have no evidence of a recent breach of our systems. If genuine, (the sheer volume of material makes it impossible to confirm at present that they are all genuine) these emails have the appearance of having been held back after the theft of data and emails in 2009 to be released at a time designed to cause maximum disruption to the imminent international climate talks."

It continued: "As in 2009, extracts from emails have been taken completely out of context. Following the previous release of emails scientists highlighted by the controversy have been vindicated by independent review, and claims that their science cannot or should not be trusted are entirely unsupported. They, the university and the wider research community have stood by the science throughout, and continue to do so."

Mann, director of the Earth System Science Centre at Penn State University, who is quoted in the batch of released emails described the release as "truly pathetic".

When asked if they were genuine, he said: "Well, they look like mine but I hardly see anything that appears damning at all, despite them having been taken out of context. I guess they had very little left to work with, having culled in the first round the emails that could most easily be taken out of context to try to make me look bad."

He said, the people behind the release were "agents doing the dirty bidding of the fossil fuel industry know they can't contest the fundamental science of human-caused climate change. So they have instead turned to smear, innuendo, criminal hacking of websites, and leaking out-of-context snippets of personal emails in their effort to try to confuse the public about the science and thereby forestall any action to combat this critical threat. Its right out of the tried-and-true playbook of climate change denial."

An ongoing investigation by Norfolk Police into the 2009 release of emails has so far failed to result in any charges or arrests. A spokesperson said: "We are aware of the release of the document cache. The contents will be of interest to our investigation which is ongoing."
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Re: Hadley CRU has apparently been hacked –[epic fraud?]

Postby smallLliberal » 11/ 22/ 11 7:24 pm

styky wrote:
smallLliberal wrote:
Hodgson wrote:CO2 is air we exhale.


yes, and too much of anything is bad


What would you have us do.......stop breathing


our breathing is not the problem

it is digging up the carbon that took millions of years to establish deep underground ... then burning it in a very short period of time

puts the atmosphere out of equilibrium

(and carbon is only one of the issues with the fossil fuels we release)
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Postby smallLliberal » 11/ 22/ 11 7:26 pm

In the new release a 173MB zip file called "FOIA2011" containing more than 5,000 new emails, was made available to download on a Russian server called Sinwt.ru today.


RUSSIA!!! :shock:

shocking
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Postby Brexx » 11/ 22/ 11 8:21 pm

smallLliberal wrote:
Brexx wrote:
smallLliberal wrote:the timing of this 2nd leak should tell you people everything

this is all part of the plan to put doubt in peoples minds when the decision makers gather, same as before :nono:

all orchestrated for maximum effect by a large group of moneyed scumbags who could care less about the air y'all breathe


If the emails are genuine whats the problem? Some people are far too gullible and need some doubt put in their minds on this issue.

Do you have any evidence whatsoever for your conspiracy theory that the fossil fuel industry is behind these email leaks?


Who else would steal them? Clearly they went after them for a reason.

Apparently they are selectively releasing them. Cherry picking whatever helps the oil, coal and gas industry.


It is what the emails reveal that is important, not who leaked them.

Timing is nothing new in this game. Leading up to the Copenhagen summit there was a flurry of climate scare stories eagerly carried by the msm.
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