Hadley CRU has apparently been hacked –[epic fraud?]

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Postby B. Max » 11/ 20/ 09 2:59 pm

jstevens wrote:I fear the ES is correct. Regardless of what happens, investigation trials or jail time, the systems for harnessing this "issue" is already in place and entrenched. I doubt it will stop anytime soon - it was after all never really about the science or the planet.

At this point - the only way that western civilization will survive is for the whole house of cards to come crashing down (and it will). Hopefully something better will emerge in it's place.




Follow the money and it will lead to the big fish like Gore and his cronies. Find out who paid who to falsify the data and hide the real data. Once they are on trial for financial fraud and end up in a jail cell like Madoff, that will be the end of the entire scam. That is what Lord Monkton was taking about the other night on Michael Savage.
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Postby jstevens » 11/ 20/ 09 3:22 pm

B. Max wrote:
jstevens wrote:I fear the ES is correct. Regardless of what happens, investigation trials or jail time, the systems for harnessing this "issue" is already in place and entrenched. I doubt it will stop anytime soon - it was after all never really about the science or the planet.

At this point - the only way that western civilization will survive is for the whole house of cards to come crashing down (and it will). Hopefully something better will emerge in it's place.




Follow the money and it will lead to the big fish like Gore and his cronies. Find out who paid who to falsify the data and hide the real data. Once they are on trial for financial fraud and end up in a jail cell like Madoff, that will be the end of the entire scam. That is what Lord Monkton was taking about the other night on Michael Savage.


It`s a nice thought - but it won`t happen. If anything the AGW position will slowly be abandoned and another non-crisis will take its place. My guess would be the need for more government and regulation to fight infectious diseases - or there is always the possibility of more financial manipulation.

Frankly, this has become all to predictable - almost cyclical.
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Postby Edward Kennedy » 11/ 20/ 09 3:27 pm

...and every so often the truth raises her sublime and majestic head to make liars of the politically correct liars.
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Postby cinyc » 11/ 20/ 09 3:39 pm

Marshall wrote:We can be assured Peter Mansbridge will never mention this development on the CBC national news however I'm sure the US Senate committee investigating global warming and cap and trade legislation will be very interested in this revelation. I believe the jig is up for fatso Gore and compatriots but it still will be a fight to get MSM to accurately report the issue.


I wouldn't be so sure about the US Senate. The Democrats control it - and they're about as interested in exposing global warming as a fraud as Peter Mansbridge. Republican Senator Inhofe can push for all the investigations he wants, but ultimately, the Democrats hold all the power - at least until 2010.
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Postby B. Max » 11/ 20/ 09 3:53 pm

cinyc wrote:
Marshall wrote:We can be assured Peter Mansbridge will never mention this development on the CBC national news however I'm sure the US Senate committee investigating global warming and cap and trade legislation will be very interested in this revelation. I believe the jig is up for fatso Gore and compatriots but it still will be a fight to get MSM to accurately report the issue.


I wouldn't be so sure about the US Senate. The Democrats control it - and they're about as interested in exposing global warming as a fraud as Peter Mansbridge. Republican Senator Inhofe can push for all the investigations he wants, but ultimately, the Democrats hold all the power - at least until 2010.



The Dems aren't going to be in power much longer the way they are going. Senator Inhofe needs to start making noise now about an investigation. Get all the radio talk show and TV time that he can. If the Dems are blocking an investigation into this huge fraud, it will only work against them at the ballot box and end up getting more Republicans elected who can then force an investigation.
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Postby Fabulous Fred » 11/ 20/ 09 3:57 pm

Edward Kennedy wrote:...and every so often the truth raises her sublime and majestic head to make liars of the politically correct liars.


Whoever hacked the information is a true friend of truth and deserves the thanks of people across the globe.


Although hacking into a database is hardly considered noble, in this case it is noble. At great personal risk and no financial gain somebody wanted the truth to get out.

I salute them!
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Postby cinyc » 11/ 20/ 09 5:40 pm

B. Max wrote:
cinyc wrote:
Marshall wrote:We can be assured Peter Mansbridge will never mention this development on the CBC national news however I'm sure the US Senate committee investigating global warming and cap and trade legislation will be very interested in this revelation. I believe the jig is up for fatso Gore and compatriots but it still will be a fight to get MSM to accurately report the issue.


I wouldn't be so sure about the US Senate. The Democrats control it - and they're about as interested in exposing global warming as a fraud as Peter Mansbridge. Republican Senator Inhofe can push for all the investigations he wants, but ultimately, the Democrats hold all the power - at least until 2010.



The Dems aren't going to be in power much longer the way they are going. Senator Inhofe needs to start making noise now about an investigation. Get all the radio talk show and TV time that he can. If the Dems are blocking an investigation into this huge fraud, it will only work against them at the ballot box and end up getting more Republicans elected who can then force an investigation.

The Democrats will control the US Senate until at least the 2010 elections - of that we can be certain. If Republicans take control of the Senate at those elections, they won't be seated until January 2011. IMO, the Republicans' chances of taking back the House are higher than the Senate, given the composition of those up for reelection (only 1/3rd of Senators are up for election in any given year, and about as many Democrats seats are up as Republican ones. But the Democrats in many of those seats are well entrenched, while more Republican seats are vulnerable or open).

I'm sure Senator Infofe will be making noise about the e-mail revelations. Talk radio will give him a platform, but I doubt the MSM will give him much coverage. Nor will they cover the e-mails, just the theft. Remember - when information damaging to conservatives is illegally leaked, the media reports on the information, but when information damaging to liberals is illegally leak, they report on the illegality of the leak and not the damaging information.
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Postby Jason Kauppinen » 11/ 20/ 09 6:04 pm

Manipulation of evidence:

I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.

Private doubts about whether the world really is heating up:

The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t. The CERES data published in the August BAMS 09 supplement on 2008 shows there should be even more warming: but the data are surely wrong. Our observing system is inadequate.

Suppression of evidence:

Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?

Keith will do likewise. He’s not in at the moment – minor family crisis.

Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address.

We will be getting Caspar to do likewise.

Fantasies of violence against prominent Climate Sceptic scientists:

Next
time I see Pat Michaels at a scientific meeting, I’ll be tempted to beat
the crap out of him. Very tempted.

Attempts to disguise the inconvenient truth of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP):

……Phil and I have recently submitted a paper using about a dozen NH records that fit this category, and many of which are available nearly 2K back–I think that trying to adopt a timeframe of 2K, rather than the usual 1K, addresses a good earlier point that Peck made w/ regard to the memo, that it would be nice to try to “contain” the putative “MWP”, even if we don’t yet have a hemispheric mean reconstruction available that far back….


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Postby backhoe » 11/ 20/ 09 7:12 pm

<P><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2391029/posts">Proof Global Warming has Been Fraud All Along?</a>
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<b>The Sound Of All Hell About To Break Loose, Con't</b><P>
<div class="title">"Hadley Particle Colluder""</div>
<p>At Planet Gore, <a href="http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NmE2MzdiZGE4ZDYyNDYzN2Y2Y2FmMTBlODEwY2E2OTk=">more exerpts from the Hadley CRU files;</a></p><blockquote>
<p>And, perhaps most reprehensibly, a long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority.</p></blockquote>

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<p>Here's a link where the emails in question can be searched:</p><p><a href="http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/">http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/</a></p><p><span class="storytitle">Climategate. [JHoward]</span></p><div class="storycontent">
<p>James Delingpole has a <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/">summary</a> at the Telegraph. ( "As <a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hadley_hacked/">Andrew Bolt</a> puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”.")</p><blockquote>

<p>If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I should start dumping them NOW.</p></blockquote>
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<p>When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at Hadley CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.investigatemagazine.com/australia/latestissue.pdf">More</a>: Investigate Magazine. (PDF)</p></div>
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<p><strong>I will be ashamed of my readers did not know</strong> (as we have discussed for years) that the <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/11/19/cooling/index.html">Global Warming Hoax</a> was/is, as we have always know it to be, a <a href="http://www.bookwormroom.com/2009/11/20/evidence-of-global-warming-scam-and-massive-collusion-in-the-scientific-community/">hoax</a>. An effort to <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/20/do-hacked-e-mails-show-global-warming-fraud/">defraud nations</a> and <a href="http://www.noteviljustwrong.com/blog/general/263-cru-hacking-reveals-global-warming-alarmists-true-nature">assist</a> in the tireless (and creative) <a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/hold_your_fire1/">leftist international movement</a></p><p>Or, that seems to be the <a href="http://ace.mu.nu/archives/294961.php">general trend</a> of <a href="http://www.memeorandum.com/091120/p19#a091120p19">the news</a>.</p><p>One suspects this hacking had much to do with the sudden collapse of the world-wide <a href="http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/man-bear-pig-is-dead-emails-prove-global-warming-junk-science-conspiracy/">global warming boondoggle</a> and economic manipulation and <a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/eu_president_wants_copenhagen_to_give_us_global_management#63675">“global management”</a> movements that have been so wildly trumpeted by <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100017432/simply-the-best-eu-empress-cathy-the-great/">international scallywags</a> of all <a href="http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/20/many-san-francisco-booksellers-refusing-to-carry-palins-book/">stripes</a> and <a href="http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/mann-bear-pig-hockey-stick-creator-michael-mann-implicated-in-global-warming-conspiracy/">ambitions</a>.</p><p>Aren’t you glad, now, that the moron cowboy <a href="http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2006/05/22/the-essential-president-bush/">saw through it</a> and was smart enough to keep us out of the unworkable and failed Kyoto treaty, despite worldwide pressure and ceaseless hysteria from the moron press?</p><p>I am.</p><p><strong>My prediction, as I said <a href="http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2009/11/16/un-american-to-oppose-ksm-trial-in-nyc/">earlier</a>:</strong> Within ten days to a month, we’re going to hear that <a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html">Global Warming has “stalled”</a> thanks to “the global recession and measures we have already taken to save the planet.” Be prepared to hear that this good news is “temporary,” and that while we’re enjoying “a stall,” Gaia is still quite doomed, thanks to mankind, and so things can get back on to the crisis/catastrophic track, “in a moment’s notice.”</p><p>Meanwhile, enjoy.</p><div class="storycontent">

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<p><strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_E._Mann">Dr. Michael Mann</a></strong> co-authored the famous graph of temperature trends dubbed the “hockey stick graph.”<br>Today, Mann was implicated in the global warming email and document conspiracy.<br><img alt="hockey stick" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-7940" src="http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/hockey-stick.jpg" title="hockey stick" height="321" width="459"><br>Mann’s controversial work has been <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy">challenged</a> in the past.</p><p>Dr. Mann was implicated in the global warming email conspiracy. It was <a href="http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/11/man-bear-pig-is-dead-emails-prove-global-warming-junk-science-conspiracy/">reported</a> on several websites today that classified emails and files prove that the junk scientists behind the global warming movement <a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/">knowingly perpetrated a fraud </a>on the global community. Mann’s name came up in several of the emails. The posted material, which <a href="http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091120/full/news.2009.1101.html">includes e-mails</a> allegedly sent by the CRU’s director Phil Jones to fellow climate researchers, including Michael Mann at Pennsylvania State University in University Park. </p><p>Dr. Mann was questioned later in the day and he <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails">spoke out</a> about the documents and emails:</p><blockquote>

<p>Professor Michael Mann, director of Pennsylvania State University’s Earth System Science Centre and a regular contributor to the popular climate science blog Real Climate, features in many of the email exchanges. He said: “I’m simply not going to comment on the content of illegally obtained emails. However, I will say this: both their theft and, I believe, any reproduction of the emails that were obtained on public websites, etc, constitutes serious criminal activity. I’m hoping that the perpetrators and their facilitators will be tracked down and prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Things don’t look good for Dr. Mann.<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfGmf8L3-z0&feature=player_embedded#at=46">Mann-Bear-Pig</a><br><img alt="mann bear pig" class="alignnone size-full wp-image-7939" src="http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/mann-bear-pig.JPG" title="mann bear pig" height="233" width="301"><br>Did anyone ask Al Gore for comment yet?</p></div>
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<p><strong>GLOBAL WARMING JUNK SCIENCE PROVEN A CONSPIRACY—-</strong><br>ManBearPig Is Finally Dead!<br>
</p><p>I’m serial!<br>Recently “discovered” classified emails and files prove that the junk scientists behind the global warming movement knowingly perpetrated a fraud on the global community.<br><img alt="baloney" class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-7924" src="http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/baloney1-300x180.jpg" title="baloney" height="180" width="300"><br>The files were posted on the internet– <a href="http://thepiratebay.org/search/Hadley%20CRU%20Files%20%28FOI2009.zip%29/0/99/0">HERE</a>.<br><a href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/">The Telegraph</a> reported:</p><blockquote>

<p>If you own any shares in alternative energy companies I should start dumping them NOW. The conspiracy behind the Anthropogenic Global Warming myth (aka AGW; aka ManBearPig) has been suddenly, brutally and quite deliciously exposed after a hacker broke into the computers at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU) and released 61 megabites of confidential files onto the internet. (Hat tip: <a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files-released/#more-12937">Watts Up With That</a>)</p><p>When you read some of those files – including 1079 emails and 72 documents – you realise just why the boffins at Hadley CRU might have preferred to keep them confidential. As <a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hadley_hacked/">Andrew Bolt</a> puts it, this scandal could well be “the greatest in modern science”. These alleged emails – supposedly exchanged by some of the most prominent scientists pushing AGW theory – suggest:</p><blockquote>
<p>Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more.</p></blockquote>
<p>One of the alleged emails has a gentle gloat over the death in 2004 of John L Daly (one of the first climate change sceptics, founder of the <a href="http://www.john-daly.com/">Still Waiting For Greenhouse</a> site), commenting:</p><blockquote>

<p>“In an odd way this is cheering news.”</p></blockquote>
<p>But perhaps the most damaging revelations – the scientific equivalent of the Telegraph’s MPs’ expenses scandal – are those concerning the way Warmist scientists may variously have manipulated or suppressed evidence in order to support their cause.</p><p>Here are a few tasters. (So far, we can only refer to them as alleged emails because – though Hadley CRU’s director Phil Jones has confirmed the break-in to <a href="http://briefingroom.typepad.com/the_briefing_room/2009/11/hadleycru-says-leaked-data-is-real.html">Ian Wishart at the Briefing Room</a> – he has yet to fess up to any specific contents.)</p></blockquote>
<p>There’s more at the link.<br>This is the scientific scandal of the century.</p><p><I><strong>Related…</strong></I> Scientists <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/11/19/cooling/index.html">baffled</a> after global temperatures refuse to rise.</p><p><I><strong>More…</strong></I> <strong>Confirmed:</strong> The emails and files posted are <a href="http://market-ticker.org/archives/1648-Global-Warming-SCAM-HackLeak-FLASH.html">legitimate</a>.</p><p><a href="http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hadley_hacked">Andrew Bolt</a> is following the story… “So the 1079 emails and 72 documents seem indeed evidence of a scandal involving most of the<a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2390537/posts" title=" most prominent scientists"> most prominent scientists</a> pushing the man-made warming theory – a scandal that is one of the greatest in modern science.”<br>And this… “This is clearly not the work of some hacker, but of an insider who’s now blown the whistle.”</p><p><a href="http://www.climatedepot.com/">The Climate Depot</a> has several updates.</p><p>One of the junk science perpetrators <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails">speaks out</a>:</p><blockquote>

<p>Professor Michael Mann, director of Pennsylvania State University’s Earth System Science Centre and a regular contributor to the popular climate science blog Real Climate, features in many of the email exchanges. He said: “I’m simply not going to comment on the content of illegally obtained emails. However, I will say this: both their theft and, I believe, any reproduction of the emails that were obtained on public websites, etc, constitutes serious criminal activity. I’m hoping that the perpetrators and their facilitators will be tracked down and prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows.”</p></blockquote>
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Postby backhoe » 11/ 20/ 09 7:24 pm

Because Climate Audit:

http://www.climateaudit.org/

has been overloaded all day, I'm going to pull a sample of the first posting-- keep trying the site, it will eventually come up...

Mike’s Nature trick
by Jean S on November 20th, 2009<P>So far one of the most circulated e-mails from the CRU hack is the following from <strong>Phil Jones</strong> to the original hockey stick authors - <strong>Michael Mann</strong>, <strong>Raymond Bradley</strong>, and <strong>Malcolm Hughes</strong>.</p>
<blockquote><p>From: Phil Jones<br>
To: ray bradley ,mann@xxxxx.xxx, <a href="mailto:mhughes@xxxx.xxx" title="mailto:mhughes@xxxx.xxx">mhughes@xxxx.xxx</a><br>

Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement<br>
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:k.briffa@xxx.xx.xx" title="mailto:k.briffa@xxx.xx.xx">k.briffa@xxx.xx.xx</a>,t.osborn@xxxx.xxx</p>
<p>Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,<br>
Once Tim’s got a diagram here we’ll send that either later today or<br>
first thing tomorrow.<br>
I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps<br>
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from<br>

1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline. Mike’s series got the annual<br>
land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land<br>
N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999<br>
for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with<br>
data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.<br>
Thanks for the comments, Ray.</p>
<p>Cheers<br>
Phil</p>
<p>Prof. Phil Jones<br>

Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) xxxxx<br>
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) xxxx<br>
University of East Anglia<br>
Norwich Email <a href="mailto:p.jones@xxxx.xxx" title="mailto:p.jones@xxxx.xxx">p.jones@xxxx.xxx</a><br>
NR4 7TJ<br>
UK</p></blockquote>
<p>The e-mail is about <a href="http://www.wmo.ch/pages/prog/wcp/wcdmp/statemnt/wmo913.pdf">WMO statement on the status of the global climate in 1999</a> -report, or more specifically, about its cover image.</p>

<p><img src="http://www.climateaudit.org/wp-content/wmo913.png" alt="" width=600></p>
<p>Back in December 2004 <strong>John Finn</strong> asked about "the divergence" in <a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2004/12/myths-vs-fact-regarding-the-hockey-stick/#comment-345">Myth vs. Fact Regarding the "Hockey Stick"</a> -thread of <a href="http://RealClimate.org" title="http://RealClimate.org" target="_blank">RealClimate.org</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Whatever the reason for the divergence, it would seem to suggest that the practice of grafting the thermometer record onto a proxy temperature record – as I believe was done in the case of the ‘hockey stick’ – is dubious to say the least.</p></blockquote>
<p>mike's response speaks for itself.</p>
<blockquote><p>No researchers in this field have ever, to our knowledge, "grafted the thermometer record onto" any reconstrution. It is somewhat disappointing to find this specious claim (which we usually find originating from industry-funded climate disinformation websites) appearing in this forum.</p></blockquote>

<p>But there is an interesting twist here: grafting the thermometer onto a reconstruction is not actually the original "Mike's Nature trick"! Mann did not <i>fully</i> graft the thermometer on a reconstruction, but he stopped the smoothed series in their end years. The trick is more sophisticated, and was uncovered by UC over <a href="http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1553#comment-340175">here</a>.<p><I>Read it all at the links, and especially the comments...</i>
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Postby Winston Smith » 11/ 20/ 09 7:28 pm

This is an inside job.
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Postby backhoe » 11/ 20/ 09 7:40 pm

Winston Smith wrote:This is an inside job.


It certainly has the "look & feel" ( or is that
taste & smell?" ) of it.

Those opposed to these revelations ( Can we smear them as "deniers, yet?" ) are trying to get into high dudgeon over the hack, but are being reminded of H.R. Haldeman and the Pentagon Papers and that "speak truth to power!" thing the Left loved so much, back then, and O! So! recently...
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Postby Fairwarning » 11/ 20/ 09 8:55 pm

Fabulous Fred wrote:
Edward Kennedy wrote:...and every so often the truth raises her sublime and majestic head to make liars of the politically correct liars.


Whoever hacked the information is a true friend of truth and deserves the thanks of people across the globe.


Although hacking into a database is hardly considered noble, in this case it is noble. At great personal risk and no financial gain somebody wanted the truth to get out.

I salute them!
:salut:


Is the hacker Canadian?....if so, here's a guy who really deserves the Order of Canada instead of Morgentaler or Mansbridge. :)
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Postby Fairwarning » 11/ 20/ 09 9:02 pm

Fairwarning wrote:
Fabulous Fred wrote:
Edward Kennedy wrote:...and every so often the truth raises her sublime and majestic head to make liars of the politically correct liars.


Whoever hacked the information is a true friend of truth and deserves the thanks of people across the globe.


Although hacking into a database is hardly considered noble, in this case it is noble. At great personal risk and no financial gain somebody wanted the truth to get out.

I salute them!
:salut:


Is the hacker Canadian?....if so, here's a guy who really deserves the Order of Canada instead of Morgentaler or Mansbridge. :)


Of course sarcasm on my part. Been reading the links and other reports that the info was sent to an anonymous Russian address.

Still better if he got the Order though than some... :)
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Postby Mark Fournier » 11/ 20/ 09 9:02 pm

I don't think there are even any guesses about who the hacker is and there is also a theory that it was a whistleblower. But you're right, if the hacker is Canadian he deserves the Order of Canada and the thanks of honourable people around the world.
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