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by **LondonLady** » 04/ 11/ 02 10:56 pm

Thankfully, as in the Second World War, there are decent Christians who will show love to our Jewish friends in the midst of their time of trouble.

(16:10) US Christians start massive prayer campaign for Israel
By Ilan Chaim April, 11 2002 The Jerusalem Post

An American Christian leader is reviving a century-old Dutch tradition to show support for Israel and the Jewish people.

Michael Evans, an Evangelical minister based in Texas who is the author of seven best-selling books, launched The Jerusalem Prayer Team based on the Corrie ten Boom Foundation in Holland, which he also directs.

The foundation has restored the ten Boom family's clock shop in Amsterdam, which was the site of weekly prayer meetings for the peace of Jerusalem led by the Christian family from 1844 to 1944, and where they hid Jews they helped escape from the Nazis. The meetings stopped when family members wereÝarrested by the Gestapo and sent to concentration camps, where most of them died. The ten Booms were instrumental in saving nearly 800 Jews from the Nazi death camps.

"That prayer meeting is beginning again worldwide," said Evans. The goal is to build a bridge of love by encouraging one Christian to pray for one Jewish person in Israel. "These caring Christians," he said, "will be praying for peace and protection for the Jewish people, which is experiencing the same type of terror that was experienced in America on September 11."

The initial goal of The Jerusalem Prayer Team is to enlist 1 million people in America to pray daily and 100,000 churches to pray weekly for the peaceÝof Jerusalem by reciting Psalm 122 every Sunday.

The remainder of this article will appear in Friday's edition of the Jerusalem Post.

by **Barry Stagg** » 04/ 11/ 02 11:15 pm

The Europeans/Nazis based the Holocaust on Whig's canard: "The Jews crucified Christ".

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by **hiti** » 04/ 11/ 02 11:18 pm

As I examined the onslaught of hate historically vented toward Israel and the Jews, I wondered what prompted these Christian attacks. Why would theologians in the first millennium, during medieval times, and in this century unleash such persistent and violent assaults? Aside from the malicious myths, some idea, proposition, or declaration had to have begun this avalanche of hate. As I searched, it didn't take long to find and identify the poisoned spring -replacement theology.

In the first century, theological anti-Semitism began teaching that "the church os the new Israel." Gentile converts resented the priority of the Jewish people in God's economy. A spirit of arrogance and pride causes this theology of hate to still flourish today. The concept appeals to the ego.

Hitler sold this idea to the German people, screaming to his enraptured audience, "We are the true people of God." On the other side of the globe, the Japanese called themselves the "sons of heaven." Of course, every American knows they are both wrong because God loves US best. Surely He's sitting on His throne waving the Stars and Stripes.

Replacement theologians must use the allegorical method of interpreting Scripture to support this position. This method, which was first taught in Alexandria and is based on the Platonic doctrine of ideas, spiritualizes the biblical text and purports to plumb hidden spiritual significance, yet it completely avoids the historical and literal meaning. Using the allegorical method of biblical interpretation, you can create a theology that says anything you want it to say. It's not truth; it's completely without biblical foundation. It's God's Word twisted to tell a lie.

* Romans 11:1: I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
* 2: God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
* 11: I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
* 32: For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

In Revelation 7:4-8, physical Israel is alive and well, represented by twelve tribes and 144,000 who were sealed by God to preach the gospel during the Great Tribulation.

In 1948 Israel was reborn, Isa:66:8: and the Seed of Abraham returned to the Promised Land to become one of the world's most dynamic nations. Replaced? Never. Revived? Yes!

The prophet Zechariah describes the coming of the Messiah: 10: And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn." Until we grasp the concept of Israel peacefully coexisting and never replacing each other, we will fall into the false doctrine of past centuries.

Bible scholars write, "What is also clear from the whole thrust of the discussion in Romans 9-11, is that God's purpose for the salvation of Israel will be realized in no other way and by no other means than through the preaching of the gospel and the response of faith." [Kaiser, Davids, Bruce, and Brauch.]

On May 15, 1948, a theological earthquake leveled replacement theology when the State of Israel was reborn. From the four corners of the earth, the Seed of Abraham returned to the land of their fathers. They arose from their Gentile "graves" [Ezek 37:12] speaking sixty different languages, and they founded a nation that has become a superpower in forty years. Far from passing away, the State of Israel is building, growing, inventing, and developing. The desert is indeed blooming like a rose, just as Isaiah the prophet promised [35:1]

You can't avoid the central issue. If God was finished with the Jews and Israel, if they were really a cast-off relic of the past without divine purpose or destiny, why did He allow the State to be miraculously renewed? If replaced, why reborn?

The resurrection of God's chosen people is living prophetic proof that Israel has not been replaced. THey were reborn in a day [Isa. 66:8] to form the State of Israel that shall endure until the coming of the Messiah.

Isaiah 43:5-6, 35:10, 61:4, 44:26; Ezekiel 20:33-34, 40-42, 34:28-30,
11:17-19, Jeremiah 31:10-12, 30:3, 10-11; Psalms 126:1-2, 107:1-2; Zechariah 1:14-17.

Jesus did not support Replacement Theology. Let's look at Matthew
24:15-18, where Jesus described the great period of tribulation that will come upon the earth. The "holy place" Jesus mentioned is the temple in Jerusalem. The Jews are in control of the temple at this time right before the Tribulation. How could they control the temple without being in control of Jerusalem? How could they be in control of Jerusal if they were replaced?

Replacement theology is idolatry and violates the Ten Commandments. 1 Samuel 15:23 says "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry." Who is a stubborn person? People who refuse to change their ideas even when they are in direct conflict with God's Word. These people idolize their opinions and are soon in open rebellion against the will and Word of God.

From the dark days of Jewish persecution in Germany, a legend has survived. According to the story, a pastor, acting on Nazi orders, looked out upon his congregation and told them, "All of you who had Jewish fathers will leave and not return."

A few worshipers rose and slipped out of the sanctuary. The pastor then said, "All of you who had Jewish mothers must go and not return."

Again, a few worshipers arose and departed. Suddenly those who remained in their pews turned pale and began to tremble with fear. The figure of Christ on the cross above the alter loosed itself and left the church.

-John Hagee "Final Dawn over Jerusalem."

For a full treatment on Replacement Theology and the Rapture, we suggest Zola's books Raptured and Broken Branches: Zola on Replacement Theology. They are inexpensive and good works to read with the appropriate Scripture references.

In brief, replacement theology states that the Church has replaced Israel in God's dealings with man, and Scripture should be read this way. One has to shut his eyes to the prophetic fulfillment of the Jews returning to the land, and a thousand verses of Scripture having to do with the end times and God continuing to deal with the Jews. The doctrine seems to serve anti-Semitic preferences making the Jews and Israel (and finally the Scriptures) virtually irrelevant.

<A href="http://www.levitt.com/">Zola Levitt Ministries</a>

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by **LondonLady** » 04/ 11/ 02 11:28 pm

Let's also not forget that there will always be goats among the sheep, and tares among the wheat.

Many second born sons took up the priesthood because in the Medieval and Middle Age periods there was not much else for them to do but take Holy Orders. Their hearts may not have been entirely in Christian love and service, but in making their living.

During the Protestant Reformation and Catholic Counter Reformation many so-called theologians and secular Princes used religion to further their own socio-political goals, paying little attention to true Biblical theology.

Others were no doubt deliberately committing grievous acts of persecution against Jews, actions they knew to be wrong. As in every generation true Christians will sin.

I am sure no one has all the answers to this dilemma of what happened and why. As a Christian I have to trust the God of justice to one day judge.

by **Humble Opinion** » 04/ 12/ 02 12:12 am

An Israeli soldiers thoughts.

A friend passed along this email that her brother had received from a friend in Israel. It is most important that you read this and pass it along accordingly.
________________________
I wanted to share with you some of my thoughts being called up in the emergency draft (Tzav Shemoneh) of last week and being part of Israel's war against terrorism. My experience was probably typical of many but left a very deep impression on me about life here in Israel at this time.

Friday, 29 April, the second day of Chol Hamoed, began quite normally in the Kohn household. After shopping in our local Ramle supermarket I receive at lunchtime a phone call: "Is Kohn Elliott at home?" Knowing that I remain Elliott only in Zahal (the IDF), I know its the army calling! "You have an emergency call up - I'm in your neighborhood. I'll be over to get you to sign the draft paper. Be in the Ramle school meeting point in one hour with your uniform." How long will I be out? Where will I be sent? It's a war I'm told -- no one knows anything yet.

And so I make my way to join that Friday afternoon two thousand other reserve paratroopers in our home base in Petah Tiqva. I arrive one hour before Shabbat, - how many fellow soldiers answered the emergency call? I speak to the officer in charge of the call up -so far 95% of the unit have come-all within three hours-- incredible! We have a problem, he tells me, we have whole groups of volunteers who left the unit years ago-some in their fifties- they won't go home!! We don't have enough room in the armed personnel carriers for them!

As Shabbat begins groups of soldiers form prayer minyanim in the huge square, which is to be home for the next three days. Without a word being said, we gravitate to the middle of the square -some three hundred soldiers who feel instinctively that we need to daven together. The spirit and kavana of that Lecha Dodi prayer is hard to describe-the prayers of those who are about to go to war.

Assigned to the military chaplainry in the unit I am responsible for the
organization of tephilot, kashrut, shiurim etc. We find bottles of wine for Kiddush, Matzot and war rations for the Shabbat meal. The highest-ranking Rabbi rules that tuna can be eaten without the oil -- we can be lenient on problems of 'kitniyot' during Passover in our situation.

As we find a place to sleep on the sand in the hanger -I start speaking to Chaim sitting next to me. "See this," he says, "this is a ticket to Italy -- I was meant to go tomorrow on a family holiday but I was called up. "Ma Lasot" (what can you do) he says, "we have to defend ourselves, and we cannot let them continue butchering us." Many of us feel the same way. They sadly don't want to make peace with us -- they want to make pieces of us.

Next day Shabbat, we still don't know where we are going. We spend the day in the shooting range, the first time in my life that I'm breaking Shabbat. A very strange feeling but you know its Pikuach Nefesh (a life threatening situation) -- this is a war and we have to be ready and prepared. In the afternoon, we have an hour free. I take out Hilchot Melachim (laws of kings) of the Rambam (Maimonides) to study Hilchot Milchama (the laws of war). A few soldiers join me -a couple of non-religious soldiers too. We learn that we are about to take part in a milchemet mitzva, a war of mitzva -- as the Rambam in Hilchot Melachim Perek 5 says -- saving your fellow Jew from an enemy is in this category. Can there be a milchemet mitzva greater than this -- after the bombings in Netanya, Jerusalem, Haifa and Tel Aviv?

I think of the Rambam who wrote this a thousand years ago, with no Jewish State and no Jewish Army. I think of the Holocaust over fifty year ago with no Jewish State and no Jewish Army. These halachot were meaningless then. I am privileged to be in a Jewish State with a Jewish Army about to defend its citizens -- Shecheyanu vekeymanu lazman haze.

Shabbat is ending and we are told that are Battalion commander will speak to us all at 11pm. Tension in the group rises. I look at the five hundred or so paratroopers in our hanger. Each one has families; most are married with children between the ages of 25 and forty. All are reservists. They all know that wherever they will be going they will
be in danger-yet they are all there, religious and non religious, Ashkenazim and Sephardim -- all part of Am Yisrael motivated to defend their fellow Jews.

How wrong are all those soothsayers who describe the decline of our
people-Am Yisrael Chai Vekayam -- our people are kedoshim, far greater than those who lead them.

At 11pm our battalion commander speaks -- we are to conquer Tulkarem. The mission -- to destroy the terrorist framework that has been set up there. He is very clear about the targets -- those who have arms and who try to kill us. We must not injure men women and children who are not involved in the terror -- we must not lose our Zelem Enosh -- our respect for innocent human life he tells us.

A tear runs down my cheek, what an army, what a wonderful people I belong too!! Imagine if the roles were reversed -- would the Arabs have such sympathy for our own civilians or would they kill them first? I leave the question unanswered.

On Sunday night our unit leaves for Tulkarem. As of today many of them are still there searching from house to house to find terrorists and weapons. I, Baruch Hashem have returned home safely at week's end. As I think of the last week, the people I met, the experiences I had, I leave with a great sense of optimism for the future.

Despite all the tragedies we have suffered over the last months we are a strong, proud people who will survive whatever our enemies throw at us.

We pray that Hashem will look after His Hayalim Kedoshim, his holy soldiers, and bring them back safely home. Bekarov; soon.
Kol Tuv – Eli.

by **Barry Stagg** » 04/ 12/ 02 12:23 am

Secular princes: That term from another posting, is appropriate to describe the many regulators who rush to sanction Israel in the name of their own self-serving book of regulations- Kofi Annan, for instance. By the way, with friends like Annan why what need does Israel have for Kurt Waldheim?

by **Whig** » 04/ 12/ 02 12:32 am

TOM,

The Jews can't win this time. The PLO have "dug in their heel". Israel will be obliterated within 18 months. Personaly I realy don't care one way or the other.

by **Humble Opinion** » 04/ 12/ 02 12:36 am

Nice touch Whig -- and as usual appropos of nothing.

Tom Humble.

by **Whig** » 04/ 12/ 02 1:55 am

I love how you guys can eventualy take almost every thread posted on the board back to religion. Shocking, stunning, but so predictable.

by **LondonLady** » 04/ 12/ 02 1:59 am

ACCKKKKK!! Religion in almost every thread!! OUT, DAMNED SPOT!!! (My apologies to Lady Mc)

by **Humble Opinion** » 04/ 12/ 02 2:06 am

Hi London Lady: ?????

AAWWWW London Lady -- I shudda got that about doin' the Whiggy. I'm gettin' old I guess -- Guess? Ha!
TH [ 04-12-2002, 02:12 AM: Message edited by: Tom Humble ]

by **LondonLady** » 04/ 12/ 02 2:07 am

Tom, just making fun of Whig, its becoming rather a favourite sport of mine <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" />

by **Ipberg** » 04/ 12/ 02 2:31 am

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Whig: I love how you guys can eventualy take almost every thread posted on the board back to religion. Shocking, stunning, but so predictable.<hr /></blockquote>We can't help it, we're a bunch of Jesus Freaks. [ 04-12-2002, 02:32 AM: Message edited by: Ian Berg ]

by **Whig** » 04/ 12/ 02 4:07 am

IAN,

Toronto, Montreal, and Ottawa are IN the playoffs !

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