A TRIBUTE TO THE FOURNIERS

[goldhound]

Very good post WV! One thing that i am curious about.........

Quote] "The Fourniers have carefully protected our identities for all of the time that Free Dominion has been in operation and continued protection of our members was the major factor in the decision to sell Free Dominion. The sale has protected our butts from potential HRC harassment. "

What are the implications of "Danasoft"? Do those using it get to see the results? Therefore identifying the ISP of another poster?

[Connie Fournier]

The only person who sees the IP of the Danasoft widget is the person who is looking at it. So, you are the only one who sees your IP address. I checked into that awhile ago.

[goldhound]

The only person who sees the IP of the Danasoft widget is the person who is looking at it. So, you are the only one who sees your IP address. I checked into that awhile ago.

Thanks Connie, that is what i assumed and i can block it with Firefox. Computer programs do have a history of being subverted tho....

[brityank58]

The only person who sees the IP of the Danasoft widget is the person who is looking at it. So, you are the only one who sees your IP address. I checked into that awhile ago.

Thanks Connie, that is what i assumed and i can block it with Firefox. Computer programs do have a history of being subverted tho....

Goldhound, Connie, All --

Please accept my apology if you or anyone believed I or anyone else could legally identify each Individual Poster on a website, other than the Owners and Operators of that site. I added that, and have used it in other places around the net, to give fair warning that there are some very unscrupulous folks out there -- some of them specifically set up websites to grab the info -- who will stop at nothing to rob and steal anything that will give them an edge on anyone else. The Carnivore/Echelon reference is to the Government's ability to burrow behind anything without recourse or knowledge of the participants.

Warman and his CHRC fascists fit that to a 'T' in my book !!

Just as you sit in a bar or coffee shop, and greet and converse with all and sundry; you have talked to a thief, a cop, a murderer, a preacher, and likely only thought they were all nice folks to have a drink with. I very much doubt you'd give them your keys and wallet or purse while you went next door. Do the same here, on websites or email.

[Mark Fournier]

Please accept my apology if you or anyone believed I or anyone else could legally identify each Individual Poster on a website, other than the Owners and Operators of that site.

That's a large part of the draw of that app. The first time I encountered it I thought, "Holy crap!"

If you don't have somebody really smart like Connie close to hand to explain it to you, it can take a bit of time to figure it out.

[goldhound]

The only person who sees the IP of the Danasoft widget is the person who is looking at it. So, you are the only one who sees your IP address. I checked into that awhile ago.

Thanks Connie, that is what i assumed and i can block it with Firefox. Computer programs do have a history of being subverted tho....

Goldhound, Connie, All --

Please accept my apology if you or anyone believed I or anyone else could legally identify each Individual Poster on a website, other than the Owners and Operators of that site. I added that, and have used it in other places around the net, to give fair warning that there are some very unscrupulous folks out there -- some of them specifically set up websites to grab the info -- who will stop at nothing to rob and steal anything that will give them an edge on anyone else. The Carnivore/Echelon reference is to the Government's ability to burrow behind anything without recourse or knowledge of the participants.

Warman and his CHRC fascists fit that to a 'T' in my book !!

Just as you sit in a bar or coffee shop, and greet and converse with all and sundry; you have talked to a thief, a cop, a murderer, a preacher, and likely only thought they were all nice folks to have a drink with. I very much doubt you'd give them your keys and wallet or purse while you went next door. Do the same here, on websites or email.

Thank you brityank

I am not worried about fascist nanny staters or twisted city lawyers /HRC types. I could save them the trouble, if girly man ritchie or his personal enablers wish, they can have my info for openly asking, screw them!

As you stated, there are worse problems out there in netland. I understand better now how the program works.

[Peter O'Donnell]

Getting back to the original theme here, God bless Mark and Connie Fournier, they are real freedom fighters in a country that is generally giving away its freedom without a fight or even a whimper.

I had the privilege of meeting Connie last month when she came out to B.C. to speak at a forum on freedom of speech issues in the modern context. She certainly impressed me as an eloquent defender of our rights and freedoms, and someone who was prepared to go to any lengths required to fight for them, more for the next generation I think than ours, because let's face it, if you're into your 40s or 50s now and you haven't figured out what's right and what's not right, chances are that you never will. However, our kids' generation are being massively brainwashed with groupthink messages from every direction, so it was really great that Connie was able to meet Jeremy as one example of younger Canadians who are ready to resist the censor's power.

I was disappointed that Mark wasn't able to come along, because I've always wanted to shake his hand and say thanks to him as well, for all the good work that they both do on our behalf. However, we had some good chats on the phone, at least while it was working.

Let's hope somebody in the inner circle of FD gets filthy rich soon, because I know if I came into a lot of money I would very gladly share it with the Fourniers to help them with the legal bills and just to pay them back for all the sacrifices they make.

In fact, I know some people here have been very generous in their support, and we all thank you for that.

Like I told Connie, before I discovered FD (in March 2005) I was carrying various burdens pretty much in isolation, thinking that perhaps the new united Conservative Party would be the answer to the awful events of 2003-05 in parliament and in society at large, but of course as we now see, they are more part of the problem than the solution, at least so far. But as this grim realization set in for me, FD showed me that we have a network of real conservatives, principled conservatives, across the whole country. We should perhaps do more to publicize our existence, I know we have an impressive daily hit rate here, but there must be ten Canadians who need to discover FD for every one who already has. We are not a household name like Rick Mercer or even Ezra Levant, but our part of the unfolding story is at least as important.

[Edward Kennedy]

In essence, principled conservatism calls for two things:

1. Reason based governance

2. Principled political behaviour

These two ideas are anathema and toxic to our political opponents.

Because our political opponents can never hope to defeat principled conservatism using logic and reason they are forced into trying to silence us. They really have no choice because they have no other weapons.

..and of course do not forget the defamatory tactics and lying that lieberals are well known for.

Incidentally I have been told to cool it and in deference to this complainant I will comply but in real life I am still me.

[WestViking]

With respect, we are getting a bit off track here. Let's recap:

1. Connie and Mark Fournier have put their all into building a place for us to vent our political views.
2. We participate without cost, except for donation we choose to make to site operating costs.
3. Connie and Mark have done what they felt they had to do to protect the site and anonymity of Free Dominion members. Selling the site was a very hard thing for them to do.
4. Our champions of free speech have faced a CHRC investigation and may do so again. In the meantime they are defendants in a civil actions launched by Warman and the CHRC. I don't think we can reasonably separate the two knowing what we do know.
5. Until this issue is resolved and the CHRC and Warman are stopped cold in their tracks we risk losing our freedoms and the right to speak out freely on issues that matter to us.
6. We cannot, in good conscience, leave those who have given us so much to dangle in the wind, unsupported. Connie and Mark need our help to meet those legal bills and we, Free Dominion members, must not let them down.

The alternative is mealy-mouthed self-censorship, and smiling sweetly when some elitist pecksniff calls us 'radical far right', 'homophobes', 'Islamophobes', 'Bushbots' and whatever other tags they can use to demean and disparage our views and voices, assuming anyone is crazy enough to give us a new forum for our views.

Your call.

[fourhorses]

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[CdnRepublican]

In essence, principled conservatism calls for two things:

1. Reason based governance

2. Principled political behaviour

These two ideas are anathema and toxic to our political opponents.

Because our political opponents can never hope to defeat principled conservatism using logic and reason they are forced into trying to silence us. They really have no choice because they have no other weapons.

That is why Connie and Mark should be honored. Not many have their courage.

This is why Canada is still a great place.

[Connie Fournier]

You guys are really kind, but Mark and I don't feel like we are deserving of any kind of tribute. Everyone gets their lot to deal with in life, and we are simply putting one foot in front of the other and trying to deal with ours in a way that is true to our principles.

We are very grateful for the prayers and support of Free Dominion members, and we hope that, together, we can all come out at the end of this to a better and freer Canada. That's what it's all about.

[J.B. Stone]

You guys are really kind, but Mark and I don't feel like we are deserving of any kind of tribute. Everyone gets their lot to deal with in life, and we are simply putting one foot in front of the other and trying to deal with ours in a way that is true to our principles.

We are very grateful for the prayers and support of Free Dominion members, and we hope that, together, we can all come out at the end of this to a better and freer Canada. That's what it's all about.

I disagree.

You COULD HAVE folded like a cheap lawn chair at the first sign of "trouble" from the CHRC and/or Warman and are risking MUCH to "stay the course".

[westcoast woman]

J. B. is right on. Not only have Connie and Mark
given us a forum, they have also given us an
example. Leadership seems to be in short supply
in modern Canada, Mark and Connie are reminding
me of what we once had. Can we think back to
WWII? Canadians did more than our share, we
rolled up our sleeves and were proud to do it.

[WestViking]

In essence, principled conservatism calls for two things:

1. Reason based governance

2. Principled political behaviour

These two ideas are anathema and toxic to our political opponents.

Because our political opponents can never hope to defeat principled conservatism using logic and reason they are forced into trying to silence us. They really have no choice because they have no other weapons.

That is why Connie and Mark should be honored. Not many have their courage.

This is why Canada is still a great place.

Precisely. Their leadership carves out a path for us to follow. We either believe in and fight for our freedoms or lose them by default. There is no space for wallflowers.