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[RedDog]

I'm questioning the kissy-kissy couple too. Why where they still there at that point? Decent people see the way things are headed and you get the hell out of there. If they were close enough to riot police to have physical contact with them, they too need to have their judgement reviewed.

[Darren]

They've had to flee their home because of the backlash. The kid stepped forward and admitted wrong doing which is more than I can say for hundreds of others. Give your head a shake already.

If he were a career criminal with a rap sheet as long as your arm, I'd tell you to lock him up and throw the key away... but a first offender?

Totally agree.

News flash: Drunken teenager loaded with testosterone and alcohol suffers a lapse in judgement. Stop the presses.

If they locked up everyone in similar circumstances, who's be left to pay the taxes?

[WestViking]

I suggest that the lad came forward because he was expecting a call from the police and had a lawyer's advice. The use of facebook and other social media along with cell phone and camera photos of the event is allowing police to ID rioters and looters and lay charges.

Exactly. Those coming forward have more than likely calmed down and realized the sheer number of cameras and records being sifted through by now. They can't undo it and they're turning up all over the internet knowing the front door bell will ring any time. Going in now is just that - on legal advice and the first step in looking to cut a deal.

I find the difference in approach between the Toronto and Vancouver police forces fascinating. During the G-20 Summit, the Toronto police treated civilians as 'the enemy' rather than focusing on the perpetrators. Toronto police built a stone wall around themselves and their efforts which left a black eye. The Vancouver police treated civilians as trusted allies and asked for help in identifying the rioters and looters so they could deal with them. The result was a huge outpouring of hard evidence and information as well as increased mutual respect. Methinks that analysis of the G-20 riots taught some people how not to deal with the rabble and scum that is instigating these riots as well as how to stay on-side with the public.

[RedDog]

Good points WV. I also don't recall news coverage from Toronto of citizens going down the next day with shovels and brooms, not to mention signing posters on looted business apologizing for their community.

[WestViking]

Good points WV. I also don't recall news coverage from Toronto of citizens going down the next day with shovels and brooms, not to mention signing posters on looted business apologizing for their community.

You saw lots of news coverage of Toronto police standing by while 'rioters' looted stores and then next day acting like thugs in dealing with the public. The Toronto police became the bad guys by misusing their authority and no one was inclined to clean up the mess that they blamed on the police and authorities in power. I read dozens of reports about the 'special powers' police were allegedly given during the G-20, but when I found the provincial Act and amendments, there were no special powers given, just a few boundaries temporarily altered. The rest was all abuse of power and creating 'rules' on the fly. The Toronto police force does not want scrutiny of its actions during the G-20 and with very good reason.

[Edward Kennedy]

Yeah, people who are turning themselves in now are doing it so the cops don't show up at their door and drag them kicking and screaming. They aren't doing it because they have some sudden moral epiphany that what they did was wrong. They knew they were acting like savage animals. These are adults ffs.

Like I said, remove order and you see a man's true nature. Real men and women would stand firm and not even think about rioting and vandalizing property. Scum and vermin would do those things gleefully. People don't change simply because they got spotted via facebook. The rioters are garbage human beings who need a lot more than a quick outting to change their ways.

You are right and the appropriate punishment is for the vandals to make FULL FINANCIAL COMPENSATION TO ALL CONCERNED even if it takes them their whole lives.

[RedDog]

Yes. The Hudson's Bay figured their damage at a million dollars and I'm sure that number that fast wouldn't have included what was looted and missing. How would they know that fast without a complete inventory? That was referred to as "damage".

So what will happen is insurance will take care of it and ultimately we'll all pay at retail level for those increased costs. As always, everyone pays for the acts of a few.

[smallLliberal]

I'm questioning the kissy-kissy couple too. Why where they still there at that point? Decent people see the way things are headed and you get the hell out of there. If they were close enough to riot police to have physical contact with them, they too need to have their judgement reviewed.

Apparently, he was only kissing her on the cheek because she was crying. If you look closely at the picture you can see that is true.

I read they walked out into the street and the riot squad ran past them. You can see the cops in the far part of the picture moving away from them. So it was an accident they got caught up in the middle of it.

[smallLliberal]

Good points WV. I also don't recall news coverage from Toronto of citizens going down the next day with shovels and brooms, not to mention signing posters on looted business apologizing for their community.

that would be because of the circumstances of the riots

Toronto, it was a big protest

Vancouver, it was a big party

hence the reason there were different reactions

[WestViking]

Yes. The Hudson's Bay figured their damage at a million dollars and I'm sure that number that fast wouldn't have included what was looted and missing. How would they know that fast without a complete inventory? That was referred to as "damage".

So what will happen is insurance will take care of it and ultimately we'll all pay at retail level for those increased costs. As always, everyone pays for the acts of a few.

Most commercial insurance policies exclude damage or loss sustained through riots and looting. Even if the event is covered, the insured would have a very large deductible to cover. You point is correct and well made. Ultimately we all pay through increased costs or taxes.

Vancouver police have taught us that they can identify and deal with the instigators and participants in riots. There is a new standard and other police forces had better take note. Deploying thousands of police officers to stand around in knots behind riot shields while the instigators trash private property and walk away free will no longer be tolerated. Anarchists beware.

[SovietCanuckistan]

They've had to flee their home because of the backlash. The kid stepped forward and admitted wrong doing which is more than I can say for hundreds of others. Give your head a shake already.

If he were a career criminal with a rap sheet as long as your arm, I'd tell you to lock him up and throw the key away... but a first offender?

Totally agree.

News flash: Drunken teenager loaded with testosterone and alcohol suffers a lapse in judgement. Stop the presses.

If they locked up everyone in similar circumstances, who's be left to pay the taxes?

This wasn't a lapse in judgement. Getting into a fight or breaking a window would be a lapse of judgement. He tried to torch a police car... That's pretty serious.

[RedDog]

Most commercial insurance policies exclude damage or loss sustained through riots and looting. Even if the event is covered, the insured would have a very large deductible to cover. You point is correct and well made. Ultimately we all pay through increased costs or taxes.

Yes, the public costs will involve millions in police, fire response overtime and extra EMS units at the ready a few blocks back, not to mention public works and sanitation (or whatever it's called there) costs in the ensuing days dealing with the mess. Whatever those people do on a normal work day they would not be doing for a couple days and one presumes that work would have to be covered by others, doubling up the costs.

[RedDog]

Omaha, Nebraska on the right side far horizon. Taken yesterday. Somewhere in that mess is the Missouri River.

[Godwin]

They've had to flee their home because of the backlash. The kid stepped forward and admitted wrong doing which is more than I can say for hundreds of others. Give your head a shake already.

I suggest that the lad came forward because he was expecting a call from the police and had a lawyer's advice. The use of facebook and other social media along with cell phone and camera photos of the event is allowing police to ID rioters and looters and lay charges. As far as fleeing home, I suggest the family does not want the bother of phone calls condemning the son's stupidity. The family has a dilemma as it cannot plead poverty or childhood abuse as excuses for their son's barbarism. The lad appears to be a spoiled child who seized the opportunity to act out his anger against all the elements that have allowed him a privileged life. Some time in a real jail to think through his twisted view of personal ethics. morals and responsibilities might be of benefit.

Facebook and other social media will also have the useful ability to hunt down dissenters, libertarians free spew hers etc.

[RedDog]

Looks like homicide #26 in Edmonton as they continue their tear in competition with God knows who.