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Postby LFR » 06/ 23/ 09 2:20 pm

We've been chronicling Abrams' adventures here:
http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?/Searc ... rry+abrams

We put the run on Abrams in a recent Shotgun thread here:
http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgu ... /#comments

The poor fascist bastard scurries whenever the light is shone upon him...

(not link whoring, just thinkin' the thread needed a bump!)
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Postby fourhorses » 06/ 23/ 09 3:01 pm

Followed that link to the Shotgun

Harry says in response to a Richard Evans' post about Topham/RadicalPress CHRC complaint by Abrams.

Harry Abrams wrote:
Y'know, in all that Mr. Evans didn't even get one factual thing correct about this case in progress, Here's a hint. FD is not a good source of true information. Distortion and misinterpretation yes, but not true details..



How often does Harry read FD?
Is he saying that all those documents from his case against Topham, that have been posted on FD or linked by FD, are false, or distorted ?
Is he saying that FD readers and commentators have misrepresented what is going on?

Perhaps, FD has missed some things along the way. - possible, in fact quite possible.



Does this call for an complete FD review of that whole case file?


Should we submit our combined commentary to the Czarina - ya'know, to help with her open dialogue and public debate concept?
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Postby LFR » 06/ 23/ 09 5:13 pm

fourhorses wrote:How often does Harry read FD?


dunno...

fourhorses wrote:Is he saying that all those documents from his case against Topham, that have been posted on FD or linked by FD, are false, or distorted ?


Yes

fourhorses wrote:Is he saying that FD readers and commentators have misrepresented what is going on?

Perhaps, FD has missed some things along the way. - possible, in fact quite possible.


We've seen everything that Topham has gotten from the CHRC. If there's anything we've missed it'd be because the CHRC was less than honest with it's disclosure to Topham - Which, I guess, goes well beyond possible, entering the realm of probable...

fourhorses wrote:Does this call for an complete FD review of that whole case file?


No need for FD to do the review... Warman, the CHRC and "Team Stazi" are probably already well into it... Save your energy... Wait to see what they've dreamed-up first...

fourhorses wrote:Should we submit our combined commentary to the Czarina - ya'know, to help with her open dialogue and public debate concept?


See point above...

fourhorses wrote:Followed that link to the Shotgun

Harry says in response to a Richard Evans' post about Topham/RadicalPress CHRC complaint by Abrams.

Harry Abrams wrote:
Y'know, in all that Mr. Evans didn't even get one factual thing correct about this case in progress, Here's a hint. FD is not a good source of true information. Distortion and misinterpretation yes, but not true details..


And when Harry was challenged to point out just exactly what I had gotten wrong, he scurried away like the cockroach that he is... Funny how he keeps doing that... One might look at the trend and conclude that Harry doesn't have the fortitude to stand by his assertions...
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Postby Maikeru » 06/ 23/ 09 5:25 pm

The 'brian esker' handle, (B.eS), is childish, and infers intent to deceive.

FD is not a good source of true information. Distortion and misinterpretation yes, but not true details..
FreeDominion is a very good source of spontaneous public debate, which can be expected to have a measure of error.
Ultimately, however, any claim must be verifiable, or the poster tends to lose credibility with later claims.
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Postby BlawBlaw » 06/ 23/ 09 6:15 pm

Maikeru wrote:The 'brian esker' handle, (B.eS), is childish, and infers intent to deceive.

FD is not a good source of true information. Distortion and misinterpretation yes, but not true details..
FreeDominion is a very good source of spontaneous public debate, which can be expected to have a measure of error.
Ultimately, however, any claim must be verifiable, or the poster tends to lose credibility with later claims.


The debate aspect tends to lead to third party links citing studies, official facts, documents or expert opinons. Given that, I don't know what he is on about.
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Postby Narrow Back » 06/ 23/ 09 6:17 pm

LFR wrote:
fourhorses wrote:How often does Harry read FD?


dunno...

fourhorses wrote:Is he saying that all those documents from his case against Topham, that have been posted on FD or linked by FD, are false, or distorted ?


Yes

fourhorses wrote:Is he saying that FD readers and commentators have misrepresented what is going on?

Perhaps, FD has missed some things along the way. - possible, in fact quite possible.


We've seen everything that Topham has gotten from the CHRC. If there's anything we've missed it'd be because the CHRC was less than honest with it's disclosure to Topham - Which, I guess, goes well beyond possible, entering the realm of probable...

fourhorses wrote:Does this call for an complete FD review of that whole case file?


No need for FD to do the review... Warman, the CHRC and "Team Stazi" are probably already well into it... Save your energy... Wait to see what they've dreamed-up first...

fourhorses wrote:Should we submit our combined commentary to the Czarina - ya'know, to help with her open dialogue and public debate concept?


See point above...

fourhorses wrote:Followed that link to the Shotgun

Harry says in response to a Richard Evans' post about Topham/RadicalPress CHRC complaint by Abrams.

Harry Abrams wrote:
Y'know, in all that Mr. Evans didn't even get one factual thing correct about this case in progress, Here's a hint. FD is not a good source of true information. Distortion and misinterpretation yes, but not true details..


And when Harry was challenged to point out just exactly what I had gotten wrong, he scurried away like the cockroach that he is... Funny how he keeps doing that... One might look at the trend and conclude that Harry doesn't have the fortitude to stand by his assertions...


Mr. Abrams's arrogance is a mental disorder, it's called megalomania. He sincerely believes, or at least I have to think this, that he does not know how transparent he is. None of them seem to. It's makes an excellent psychological case study. I know a little about psychology. My favorite psychologist is Dostoevsky (even Freud and Nietzsche acknowledged his contributions). I wonder what he would think. Maybe this:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Inquisitor


The philosopher Max Stirner often spoke of "predicates". An old dear friend liked to say, "predicates, predicates, predicates. It's all about predicates". Mr. Abrams has his. And they are obvious.
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Postby Fabulous Fred » 06/ 24/ 09 8:57 am

I found this while doing an unrelated search...... has anyone else heard about this?

Is this typical for bnai brith?

I'm just wondering what they would say if the shoe were on the other foot?

Anti-Defamation League (ADL) Director Arrested For Child Pornography


Jewish Director Of B'nai B'rith Of Canada

Bill Surkis, 70, who is a prominent member of Montreal's Jewish community was arrested today. He is the Quebec Regional Director of the B'nai Brith Canada, a director of Montréal's Holocaust Museum, and dean at John Abbott College. He was led to court in handcuffs Friday to face charges related to accessing and possessing child pornography.

Surkis spent the night in jail, and was released on bail, on a number of conditions that restrict his access to children and the Internet.

"They know me as a staunch individual, they know that I've stood for what is right. I continue to stand for what is right. That's why we're doing the things that we're doing so that we can clear my name."

When Surkis was asked how the pornographic material ended up on his hard drive, his lawyer, Steven Slimovitch, intervened.



Virus check on computer revealed pornographic material

The child pornography was allegedly discovered after Surkis took his computer to a store to be checked out for viruses.

"It was the people at the computer store who noticed these images on his computer," said CTV Montreal's Rob Lurie, reporting live from the Montreal courthouse. "We're talking about 23 videos, allegedly of child pornography, found on the hard drive of his computer," Lurie added. 7

Jewish Community Stands By Predator

Surkis said members of the Jewish community will be disappointed by the news of the charges against him, but said he remains hopeful that he will maintain his reputation.



Will Canada's Prime Minister Intervene?

Canada's Jews have put out an urgent cry to PM Harper to get charges dropped on Bill Surkis.

http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/200 ... ector.html
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Postby CdnRepublican » 06/ 24/ 09 9:36 am

LFR wrote:We've been chronicling Abrams' adventures here:
http://www.no-libs.com/index.php?/Searc ... rry+abrams

We put the run on Abrams in a recent Shotgun thread here:
http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgu ... /#comments

The poor fascist bastard scurries whenever the light is shone upon him...

(not link whoring, just thinkin' the thread needed a bump!)


I suppose Harry et al would be happier to see the Jewish state extinguished and Arabic the 3rd official language of Canada.

What a middling moron.

What was his point here ? To build a case of Islamophobia ?
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Postby Narrow Back » 06/ 24/ 09 9:56 am

Fabulous Fred wrote:
Will Canada's Prime Minister Intervene?

Canada's Jews have put out an urgent cry to PM Harper to get charges dropped on Bill Surkis.

http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/200 ... ector.html


Why would our Prime Minister get involved in something like this?
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Postby Fabulous Fred » 06/ 24/ 09 10:17 am

Narrow Back wrote:
Fabulous Fred wrote:
Will Canada's Prime Minister Intervene?

Canada's Jews have put out an urgent cry to PM Harper to get charges dropped on Bill Surkis.

http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/200 ... ector.html


Why would our Prime Minister get involved in something like this?


I don't think it is too much of a stretch considering his performance to date. He had the minister of justice intervene in a case before the hrc and it was not on the side of free speech.
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Postby Narrow Back » 06/ 24/ 09 10:48 am

Fabulous Fred wrote:
Narrow Back wrote:
Fabulous Fred wrote:
Will Canada's Prime Minister Intervene?

Canada's Jews have put out an urgent cry to PM Harper to get charges dropped on Bill Surkis.

http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/200 ... ector.html


Why would our Prime Minister get involved in something like this?


I don't think it is too much of a stretch considering his performance to date. He had the minister of justice intervene in a case before the hrc and it was not on the side of free speech.


Imagine a headline like "Harper Intervenes in Child Pornography Case"? The left will have a field day with that! It looks like our PM needs new friends.
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Postby BlawBlaw » 06/ 24/ 09 12:06 pm

Narrow Back wrote:
Fabulous Fred wrote:
Will Canada's Prime Minister Intervene?

Canada's Jews have put out an urgent cry to PM Harper to get charges dropped on Bill Surkis.

http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/200 ... ector.html


Why would our Prime Minister get involved in something like this?


Because it's the Jooooos!!! The Elders of Zion obviously have influence in the highest reaches of the government.

Did you miss the guest contributions by David Duke?
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Postby Narrow Back » 06/ 24/ 09 12:10 pm

BlawBlaw wrote:
Narrow Back wrote:
Fabulous Fred wrote:
Will Canada's Prime Minister Intervene?

Canada's Jews have put out an urgent cry to PM Harper to get charges dropped on Bill Surkis.

http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/200 ... ector.html


Why would our Prime Minister get involved in something like this?


Because it's the Jooooos!!! The Elders of Zion obviously have influence in the highest reaches of the government.

Did you miss the guest contributions by David Duke?


I have no idea what you are talking about.
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Postby BlawBlaw » 06/ 24/ 09 12:40 pm

Narrow Back wrote:
BlawBlaw wrote:
Narrow Back wrote:
Fabulous Fred wrote:
Will Canada's Prime Minister Intervene?

Canada's Jews have put out an urgent cry to PM Harper to get charges dropped on Bill Surkis.

http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/200 ... ector.html


Why would our Prime Minister get involved in something like this?


Because it's the Jooooos!!! The Elders of Zion obviously have influence in the highest reaches of the government.

Did you miss the guest contributions by David Duke?


I have no idea what you are talking about.


Click on the link. News from the West appears to be a white supremacist website. KKK member David Duke has a section on the site.

Obviously, the Prime Minister would not intervene in a criminal investigation. However, these guys seem to think that there is some international Jewish conspiracy as per the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
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Postby fourhorses » 06/ 24/ 09 1:22 pm

First of all, we have to give this guy, Bill Surkis, a fair shake and benefit of the doubt. We have only heard one side of this story and seemingly little from the defense side.


Harper intervening ?
Not bloody likely.
These are alleged criminal charges not constitutional challenge issues.
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