Liberals up against a new reality in Quebec

[styky]

Liberals up against a new reality in Quebec
Daniel Leblanc
Ottawa — The Globe and Mail
Published Thursday, Jun. 14 2012, 9:18 PM EDT
Last updated Friday, Jun. 15 2012, 11:04 AM EDT

The Liberal Party of Canada has two main faces in Quebec: idealist Justin Trudeau and pragmatist Denis Coderre.

The two Montreal MPs represent the values that made their party an unavoidable political presence in Quebec up until the middle of the past decade.................http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol ... cmpid=rss1

[Smaug]

The Liberal party is a moribund organisation in Quebec and the west. It is doubtfull they will arise again in the forseeable future.

The only significant role I can see for them is the role of junior party in a lefty coalition led by Mulcair.

[Charles J. White]

Liberals up against a new reality in Quebec
Dani. 15 2012, 11:04 AM EDT

The Liberal Party of Canada has two main faces in Quebec: idealist Justin Trudeau and pragmatist Denis Coderre.el Leblanc
Ottawa — The Globe and Mail
Published Thursday, Jun. 14 2012, 9:18 PM EDT
Last updated Friday, Jun

The two Montreal MPs represent the values that made their party an unavoidable political presence in Quebec up until the middle of the past decade

But the premise is wrong, the federal Liberal Party of Canada has not won a majority of seats in Quebec since 1980...

[Charles J. White]

The Liberal party is a moribund organisation in Quebec and the west. It is doubtfull they will arise again in the forseeable future.

The only significant role I can see for them is the role of junior party in a lefty coalition led by Mulcair.

It's also a write off in New Brunswick as well

[Smaug]

The Liberal party is a moribund organisation in Quebec and the west. It is doubtfull they will arise again in the forseeable future.

The only significant role I can see for them is the role of junior party in a lefty coalition led by Mulcair.

It's also a write off in New Brunswick as well

It has survived in Ontario seemingly. They got 11 seats with essentialy the same percentage of the popular vote as the NDP who got twenty two seats there. It has also survived in Montreal.

Regardless, the NDP got thirty percent of the popular vote in a half dozen provinces. They will gain as the liberals decline ..... and with 18 new seats in Ontario and Quebec versus the twelve new seats in Alberta and BC. I think the NDP are now a serious threat to form government.

The NDP can win seats in every province where the Liberals cannot.

It is quite clear the Canadian electorate are growing increasingly polarized. If this trend continues, confederation cannot withstand the strain. As I have postulated in other threads (years ago) a breakup of confederation may indeed be inevitable.

[Dogpatch]

The Liberal party is a moribund organisation in Quebec and the west. It is doubtfull they will arise again in the forseeable future.

The only significant role I can see for them is the role of junior party in a lefty coalition led by Mulcair.

It's also a write off in New Brunswick as well

It has survived in Ontario seemingly. They got 11 seats with essentialy the same percentage of the popular vote as the NDP who got twenty two seats there. It has also survived in Montreal.

Regardless, the NDP got thirty percent of the popular vote in a half dozen provinces. They will gain as the liberals decline ..... and with 18 new seats in Ontario and Quebec versus the twelve new seats in Alberta and BC. I think the NDP are now a serious threat to form government.

The NDP can win seats in every province where the Liberals cannot.

It is quite clear the Canadian electorate are growing increasingly polarized. If this trend continues, confederation cannot withstand the strain. As I have postulated in other threads (years ago) a breakup of confederation may indeed be inevitable.

I'm starting to believe that is the future

[Brown envelope]

The Liberal party is a moribund organisation in Quebec and the west. It is doubtfull they will arise again in the forseeable future.

The only significant role I can see for them is the role of junior party in a lefty coalition led by Mulcair.

gLiberals crave power and would kill their mother to get it. They have all joined the Dippers federally or gLiberals in Ontari-owe because federally the gLiberals are done.

[Smaug]

I'm starting to believe that is the future

How can it not be?

The Quebec reality is evidenced by the student riots. For years the Quebec government has been sinking deeper and deeper into debt even while it has been heavily subsidised by other parts of Canada. The Quebec reality is socialism, regardless of wether or not it can be afforded.

The reality in the rest of Canada is that we no longer have enough money to keep coddeling Quebec socialists. Soon, there will be an ecomic crisis that compells Quebecers to make demands of the federal government that either cannot be met, or if they are met will cause the economic ruin of other provinces (particularly Alberta).

Will Quebec seceed because the ROC finaly say no. Or will Alberta secede when the only place that can concievably come up with enough money to placate Quebec gets taxed so heavily that it's economy is ruined and even the most patriotic Albertan will be forced to admit that Alberta would be much better off as an independant?

The point of no return has already been passed. The next federal election will be about raising taxes from Alberta's oil industry, and either way, one province or another may not be able to live with the result.

[Julian]

Quebec won't secede because they could never make it on their own. Their portion of the federal debt alone would sink them and if they use the Cdn dollar they will have no control whatsoever over monetary policy.

Not to mention the fact that borders would be altered from their present configuration.

Quebec is the spoiled child of confederation, but it is definitely a child, incapable of managing it's own affairs.

[Smaug]

Quebec won't secede because they could never make it on their own ....

Quebec is the spoiled child of confederation, but it is definitely a child, incapable of managing it's own affairs.

Tell that to the old people out supporting the student protests


And if they leave confederation without taking a share of the national debt, issue their own currency it will be ten years down the road by the time anyone figures out just how bad off they will be in Quebec. By then it won't matter. There will be no confederation for them to return to, Canada will be divided into regions.

[styky]

Quebec won't secede because they could never make it on their own ....

Quebec is the spoiled child of confederation, but it is definitely a child, incapable of managing it's own affairs.

Tell that to the old people out supporting the student protests


And if they leave confederation without taking a share of the national debt, issue their own currency it will be ten years down the road by the time anyone figures out just how bad off they will be in Quebec. By then it won't matter.

Not to mention the fact that they'll have to formulate some kind of passport or they'll never get to go to their summer homes in Florida.

[richardson]

Quebec won't secede because they could never make it on their own. Their portion of the federal debt alone would sink them and if they use the Cdn dollar they will have no control whatsoever over monetary policy.

Not to mention the fact that borders would be altered from their present configuration.

Quebec is the spoiled child of confederation, but it is definitely a child, incapable of managing it's own affairs.

I assure you this doesn't matter in Quebec. Most Quebeckers firmly believe they are managing their own affairs and paying their own way quite well all by themselves. And that the only border that would be altered would be that they would get everything they claim from Labrador.

[styky]

Quebec won't secede because they could never make it on their own. Their portion of the federal debt alone would sink them and if they use the Cdn dollar they will have no control whatsoever over monetary policy.

Not to mention the fact that borders would be altered from their present configuration.

Quebec is the spoiled child of confederation, but it is definitely a child, incapable of managing it's own affairs.

I assure you this doesn't matter in Quebec. Most Quebeckers firmly believe they are managing their own affairs and paying their own way quite well all by themselves. And that the only border that would be altered would be that they would get everything they claim from Labrador.

You should read this......
ABORIGINAL PEOPLES AND THE
1995 QUEBEC REFERENDUM:
A SURVEY OF THE ISSUES
http://www.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/Resea ... p412-e.htm