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 Posted: 06/ 11/ 04 12:38 am Post subject: Harper and the military. Why? |
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Why do the Conservatives want to spend a bunch of money beefing up our military? Every dollar spent on the military is a dollar wasted.
In this day and age we need national protection in the form of border patrol, habour patrol, RCMP, CSIS, Coast Guard and Emergency Relief workers/ National Guard.
What is the point of globe trotting? A military should defend the national territory and nothing more.
I'm sure someone will say, "But what if China/ North Korea/ Peru tries to invade us?"
First of all, they won't.
Second of all, we should build 10 long range intercontental heavy duty nukes for just such an occasion.
Thirdly, yeah I'll say it, we live next to the United States and they wouldn't let it happen because it is not in their best interest. Coattailing off the U.S. military has saved us a ton of cash over the years. Why stop now?
Okay that's my rant. |
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Jason Kauppinen
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| Posted: 06/ 11/ 04 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Why do the Conservatives want to spend a bunch of money beefing up our military? Every dollar spent on the military is a dollar wasted.
In this day and age we need national protection in the form of border patrol, habour patrol, RCMP, CSIS, Coast Guard and Emergency Relief workers/ National Guard.
What is the point of globe trotting? |
Rwanda.
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This string was posted under the wrong topic heading. This is a Conservative party issue not a provincial autonomy issue.
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bubman
Joined: 10 Apr 2004 Total posts: 545 Location: Montreal Gender: Unknown
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Canada cannot sanctimoniously take a position in world affairs if it is not prepared to back it up with muscle. Soft diplomacy can only go so far. We must be able to project confidence and an ability to back our words with force if necessary. Canada cannot and should not cede its responsability to another sovereign state (USA) for its own defense. Nations that cannot and will not defend themselves will not survive. We have a long and proud tradition in this country when it comes to the military. We should not abdicate it on some frivolous notion of social spending concerns and such. If ourn nation is only about daycares, welfare and a nanny state (gimme, gimme, gimme) and so forth...God help this country. I believe that a strong military will give us all those things and more. Spending priorities must be realistic and within the context of what role we as a nation should play. Canada should BE at the table not standing up.This is a wealthy nation it should be able to support a top notch professional army to meet its national and multinational committments (NATO). I for one am willing to pay a dedicated tax if ever Canada sends youg men & women in harms way.
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Reformer4Life
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| Posted: 06/ 11/ 04 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Harper and the military. Why? |
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| Hodgson wrote: | Why do the Conservatives want to spend a bunch of money beefing up our military? Every dollar spent on the military is a dollar wasted.
In this day and age we need national protection in the form of border patrol, habour patrol, RCMP, CSIS, Coast Guard and Emergency Relief workers/ National Guard.
What is the point of globe trotting? A military should defend the national territory and nothing more.
I'm sure someone will say, "But what if China/ North Korea/ Peru tries to invade us?"
First of all, they won't.
Second of all, we should build 10 long range intercontental heavy duty nukes for just such an occasion.
Thirdly, yeah I'll say it, we live next to the United States and they wouldn't let it happen because it is not in their best interest. Coattailing off the U.S. military has saved us a ton of cash over the years. Why stop now?
Okay that's my rant. |
I agree with you generally, but much of what you propose is often referred to as "military spending."
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khori_wan_kenobi
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| Posted: 06/ 11/ 04 9:42 am Post subject: |
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The Danes have already invaded and taken possession of Hans Island....
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NorthOf45
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| Posted: 06/ 11/ 04 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Harper and the military. Why? |
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| Hodgson wrote: | Why do the Conservatives want to spend a bunch of money beefing up our military? ...
... What is the point of globe trotting? A military should defend the national territory and nothing more. |
Do you want Canada to have an international voice?
Do you want us to have continued support from allies?
Do you want to ignore all that is going on in this world?
Do you want Canada to have a semblance of self-respect and nationality?
Do you go to the assistance of your neighbour?
Do you want to be able to sleep at night?
I do.
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Frankie
Joined: 30 Mar 2003 Total posts: 6591 Location: Ontario Age: 10 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 06/ 11/ 04 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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Now I feel much better. Canada over the years has given up more of its international rights regarding the fisheries. We ban cod fishing for our own men and women and knowingly turn a blind eye when the Portuguese and the Spaniards over fish and decimate what’s left of the stock.
When asked by our traditional allies for a hand we have to respectfully decline or pay lip service because in truth we haven't the power.
I think a small force as proposed in other threads by some members might interest you.
It is feasible and it is required as part of the burden of being fortunate enough to have such a vast nation. Ignoring the possibility that others would not respect your sovereignty is foolish wishfull thinking.
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cold_duck
Joined: 24 Nov 2002 Total posts: 264 Location: "Ottawa - The City that Fun Forgot" Gender: Unknown
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| Posted: 06/ 11/ 04 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Harper and the military. Why? |
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| Hodgson wrote: | Why do the Conservatives want to spend a bunch of money beefing up our military? Every dollar spent on the military is a dollar wasted.
In this day and age we need national protection in the form of border patrol, habour patrol, RCMP, CSIS, Coast Guard and Emergency Relief workers/ National Guard.
What is the point of globe trotting? A military should defend the national territory and nothing more.
I'm sure someone will say, "But what if China/ North Korea/ Peru tries to invade us?"
First of all, they won't.
Second of all, we should build 10 long range intercontental heavy duty nukes for just such an occasion.
Thirdly, yeah I'll say it, we live next to the United States and they wouldn't let it happen because it is not in their best interest. Coattailing off the U.S. military has saved us a ton of cash over the years. Why stop now?
Okay that's my rant. |
A lot of the $$$ proposed will be spent on projects you have mentioned - air-rescue helicopters, Coast Guard ships, and people to man them. Our once proud military is in sorry shape.
If we have to renege on our military commitments to NATO and the UN, we will be lost. This should be a wake up call - if we wait any longer to do what is necessary, it will be a dirge.
We are dependent on the USA for too much of our security - one day (and I wouldn't blame them), they will either stop protecting our sorry asses or demand an accounting...
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| Jon27 Joined: 25 May 2004 Total posts: 303 Gender: Unknown
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as others have already said, things like border patrol, habour patrol, Coast Guard and Emergency Relief National Guard. is included in military spending. Those new helicopters arent just going to be used for 'globe trotting' but for other needs aswell. So there. You support military spending, cant you sleep better at night now?
Plus many canadians,esspecially school children think that canada is highly regarded around the world because of our peace keeping efforts. But we havent been for years because we dont fund our military properly. Bloody ppl are taking over our islands, other countries are illegally fishing our fish. We cant do anything about this because we are not respected, because we have become a joke because our military is a mess.
And the more we use america to defend us, the more we owe them and the more we lose our identity. |
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Hodgson
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| Posted: 06/ 11/ 04 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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Good points.
Small spending on targetted approaches is great.
This whole "Canada is a great nation" thing is a bit 1967 thugh isn't it?
Canada is basically the Norway of North America. We aren't in the same league as the U.K. and the U.S. and Germany and what not. Why try?
Let's just bow out and save cash. The world can continue to be a shit hole without us. |
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| rbacon Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Total posts: 11061 Location: At The Oars of the Slave Ship Canada Gender: Male
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| Posted: 06/ 11/ 04 7:27 pm Post subject: Military |
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| Canada's military crisis is primarily caused by our Puffed Up politicians in Ottawa. We should not supply any military personnel for the UN at all ever as long as we cannot take care of our own security first. When Mulroney proposed 3 Nuclear Subs for Canada everyone laughed him down. These same dummies fail to realize that Canada has 36,000 miles of coastline on 3 oceans. When we have secured our borders and offshore interests then it would be time to consider a modest support for the crooks at the UN. By the way Harper is not proposing air craft carriers contrary to the Libs claim he is proposing a multiuse transport ship with Helicopters or Harriers. A very brilliant concept. We should disband the Militias and institute mandatory military service like the Swiss and have citizen soldiers for home defence. Spend all the funds for the Navy and rapid deployment commando's by air and sea. |
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| rbacon Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Total posts: 11061 Location: At The Oars of the Slave Ship Canada Gender: Male
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| Posted: 06/ 11/ 04 7:28 pm Post subject: Multi |
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| Take the budget of the Bi-lingualism, CBC, and Multi-cult freaks to make a truly Canadian army of citizen soldiers. |
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Frankie
Joined: 30 Mar 2003 Total posts: 6591 Location: Ontario Age: 10 Gender: Male
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| Posted: 06/ 11/ 04 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | This whole "Canada is a great nation" thing is a bit 1967 thugh isn't it?
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It's time more Canadians showed their patriotism. For a decade I have found cause to feel less pride in how great Canada was perceived on the world stage.
| Quote: | | Canada is basically the Norway of North America. We aren't in the same league as the U.K. and the U.S. and Germany and what not. Why try? |
Wow Guess it's settled then. Everybody in Canada take a break.
Why? Because it's our nature to try no matter the odds. It's why I bother to respond to your defeatist post.
| Quote: | | The world can continue to be a shit hole without us. |
I though the only group that advocated opting out were Hippies. 
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| rbacon Joined: 03 Nov 2002 Total posts: 11061 Location: At The Oars of the Slave Ship Canada Gender: Male
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| Posted: 06/ 12/ 04 11:31 pm Post subject: Canada |
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| Canada's tank is out of gas. We have been running on the reputation of the ww2 and Korean Vets for a long time, and it is time we called that bluff. Canada does not even belong in the G8. A nation that cannot even defend itself should not be making big promises abroad. We are punching far above our weight and have been very lucky that noone has called our bluff. The UN peacekeepers should not even be allowed at the Nov 11 Remembrance day ceremonies and I will take this up with the Legion. They are Traitors and serve a foreign flag. They are only acting as lackies of the UN. Call it what it is. They are not fit to lace the boots of our ww1 and ww2 vets. |
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